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InvisibleautomanM
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what am i?
    #4564732 - 08/21/05 09:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i am for the legalization of drugs.
i am pro gun rights.
i am pro choice for 1st tri-mester or at anytime if the mothers life is in danger.
i am against the war in iraq.
i believe an american soldier should only die protecting american soil.
i believe that the federal government should only provide what an individual state cant.
i believe that your rights stop at my nose, other than that, i dont care what you do in your own home.
i am for total freedom of religion.

what party would i belong to? am i right wing or left wing?


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4564827 - 08/21/05 09:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Everything you described fits perfectly under the Libertarian Party platform.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4565114 - 08/21/05 11:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You are a damn Nazi!


Just kidding, sounds like the Libertarian Party for you. Same here.


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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4565221 - 08/21/05 11:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You are an anarchist maniac!  :cop:

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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4565310 - 08/21/05 11:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you believe the government should help with any form of welfare or healthcare?

Do you support the establishment of nature preserves?


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Re: what am i? [Re: Tao]
    #4565330 - 08/22/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i think the federal government should have no say in either matter. if a state wants to set aside their own land for public use or support their sick and homeless, it is the state's choice.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4565342 - 08/22/05 12:04 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Finally, do you support a non-interventionist foreign policy?


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Re: what am i? [Re: Tao]
    #4565347 - 08/22/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

He seemed to imply that when he said that American soldiers should only die protecting American soil, a typical stance of non-interventionists.


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Re: what am i? [Re: Ravus]
    #4565354 - 08/22/05 12:07 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Whoops, you're right, missed that.

Then yeah, automan, I don't think you could be closer to the LP if you tried.


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Re: what am i? [Re: Tao]
    #4565359 - 08/22/05 12:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

no, i have no problem with sending aid, supplies, or equipement to our allies, but i believe that US soldiers should only die protecting US soil.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4565376 - 08/22/05 12:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well then, let's say you're as close as one could reasonably hope to be to a political party.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4565416 - 08/22/05 12:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I agree in all areas that you've cited but one, I think that the federal government should stipulate that state governments do have some laws that are geared towards environmental issues and setting state land aside to be protected.


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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4565440 - 08/22/05 12:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think that state land should be set aside, but it should then be donated to private environmental groups to maintain it, perhaps charging people to use it as a national park.

Public government-sponsored parks usually have major problems, including understaffing and lack of funds. Perhaps private environmental organizations could do better without draining our tax dollars.


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Re: what am i? [Re: Ravus]
    #4565481 - 08/22/05 12:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sure, but they should be following federal guidelines for what they can and and can't do. I don't want to see the local parks turned into Enviro-Rides? and theme parks by a group that can manage to churn out a profit.


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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4566042 - 08/22/05 09:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

we have 3 huge parks within 30 minutes of my city that were private donations. they were donated with an endowment that, through interest, will pay for park staff and services forever.

at this point, if the state wants to make a state park and no one wants to donate or sell land, how would they take it? by force? that is never a good idea.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566563 - 08/22/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

what are the problems people have with libertarian views? they all seem like common sense to me.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566611 - 08/22/05 01:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Common sense is not common.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566751 - 08/22/05 02:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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what are the problems people have with libertarian views? they all seem like common sense to me.



I think libertarianism as a general guiding philosophy is great, but sometimes, its followers can take it a bit too far. Small government, free markets, and civil liberties are all good things, but some take it to the extent that they never think there's a place for government intervention, and believe the market will always take care of every problem. I was once such a libertarian. I still support the Libertarian Party, but I do so with a more skeptical mind now.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566776 - 08/22/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To anyone,

Why wouldn't his views be in accord with the Independent party and why is the Independent party rarely discussed here?


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Re: what am i? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4566777 - 08/22/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

so say i have the same political opinions as automan except for the pro gun rights, would i still be labeled as a libertarian?

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Re: what am i? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4566782 - 08/22/05 02:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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so say i have the same political opinions as automan except for the pro gun rights, would i still be labeled as a libertarian?



You could. Labels can very difficult sometimes, so it's hard to make any label fit 100%.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566788 - 08/22/05 02:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The land already exists. They don't have to take it, just prevent it from being used by others. The state hunting / game lands that we have around here are used for lumber by companies, but it's carefully mandate d how it's done and they are required to replant trees. I don't mind people having a useage of the forests, but, well, I don't want to be gasping for air because every tree has been cut down in order for us not to feel bad about 'forcing' a logging company to cut back some employees.


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Re: what am i? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4566797 - 08/22/05 02:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think that their is an "independant" party, I just think you can be listed as a voter who is independant of all the parties.


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: what am i? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4566807 - 08/22/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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so say i have the same political opinions as automan except for the pro gun rights, would i still be labeled as a libertarian?




The non-support for gun rights puts you more in line with the "Wuss Party". I'm not sure if the Libertarians would accept you.

Edited by RandalFlagg (08/22/05 02:54 PM)

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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4566815 - 08/22/05 02:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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The land already exists. They don't have to take it, just prevent it from being used by others. The state hunting / game lands that we have around here are used for lumber by companies, but it's carefully mandate d how it's done and they are required to replant trees. I don't mind people having a useage of the forests, but, well, I don't want to be gasping for air because every tree has been cut down in order for us not to feel bad about 'forcing' a logging company to cut back some employees.




i dont have a problem with a community mandating that if you log, you have to replant. i just dont see how the federal government can, from washington, say that a small town in north alabama has to do X about anything. the people in that community should be able to decide what they want to do.

if iowa wants to make pot legal, then the federal govt should have no right to tell them other-wise.

edit: spelling

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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566818 - 08/22/05 02:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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if iowa wants to make pot legal, then the federal govt should have no right to tell them other-wise.



But what if Iowa wanted pot to be illegal, and the fed wanted it to be legal? Would you still support that? I personally think that individual liberty should supercede state's rights.


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Re: what am i? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4566826 - 08/22/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

no, i wouldnt have a problem if they made it illegal even if the feds didnt care. kind of like dry counties now. in my state, you cant serve or buy alcohol in certain counties. if the people of a community want to make a decision like that, i have no problem with it.

so i guess i am not a libertarian, i am a non-federalist... if that is even a party.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4566830 - 08/22/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

but they couldnt regulate it if i bought it from a wet county and brought it back to do at my house.


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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4567023 - 08/22/05 04:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I should have said "green" party.


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Re: what am i? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4567036 - 08/22/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To anyone,

Why wouldn't his views be in accord with the Independent party and why is the Independent party rarely discussed here?


I should have said "green" party.

The Green Party is pretty fucking far from the Libertarian Party.

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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4567054 - 08/22/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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automan said:
i dont have a problem with a community mandating that if you log, you have to replant. i just dont see how the federal government can, from washington, say that a small town in north alabama has to do X about anything. the people in that community should be able to decide what they want to do.




I think that the federal guidelines should be very broad and leave a lot of leeway to the people. I'm not sure if you think that slavery should be allowed in the south, by majority vote, but I don't think that it should. The federal government should exist to secure (or list, or whatever) the rights of the people. For example, the federal gov't shouldn't be able to say "OK Bumfuck Alabama, you are required t have 1500 sq miles of land open for hunting around your town, start burning your malls down". But they can say that each state has a responsibilty to maintain some 'community property'.
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if iowa wants to make pot legal, then the federal govt should have no right to tell them other-wise.




If Mississippi wants to make slavery legal, then what? Thats what I'm saying here, sometimes states do make the wrong decisions. The federal gov't can make laws that retain the rights of the people, and the states can interpret and create other legislation.


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Re: what am i? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4567063 - 08/22/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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automan said:
if iowa wants to make pot legal, then the federal govt should have no right to tell them other-wise.



But what if Iowa wanted pot to be illegal, and the fed wanted it to be legal?  Would you still support that?  I personally think that individual liberty should supercede state's rights.





Thats a good point, bro.  I think that people arguing about legalization of drugs being a "state right" are really off topic.  I would prefer it to be a state issue, rather than federal, but the federal government should force states to make it legal, as I believe that your state of consciousness is a right and thus protected.  Some things, such as basic freedoms and rights, should be mandated by the federal government and all other powers would be left to the individual states.  Kind of like the Constitution says :wink:


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Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4567185 - 08/22/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

fuck the labels, you are automan!


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Re: what am i? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4567305 - 08/22/05 05:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i believe i said above that your rights end at my nose... likewise, mine end at yours so slavery could never be an option.


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Re: what am i? [Re: automan]
    #4567363 - 08/22/05 05:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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i believe i said above that your rights end at my nose... likewise, mine end at yours so slavery could never be an option.



Nor would drug prohibition.


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