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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: drtyfrnk]
    #4566171 - 08/22/05 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

but what I don't understand...... jungle camo in the deasert ??!!!??!!! and at a rave?? it's going to be dark so I would have just stuck with the black! heck if they wanted to blend in so bad they should have strapped some glowsticks to thier helmets, or dressed like underaged whores


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: johahnchristo]
    #4566365 - 08/22/05 02:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it wasnt about blending in, the combat gear and BDUs are to instill terror and add
to the confusion, it's the psychologial part of warfare in the 'drug war'

whats more intimidating?



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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: lostinthestarzzz]
    #4566492 - 08/22/05 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That video link doesn't work anymore :undecided:


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: ivi]
    #4566537 - 08/22/05 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

where's the constitution and where's AMERICA backing it up?


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566570 - 08/22/05 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

from waht i can gather from different sources...they didnt have a permit regarless of what that dj says.

also here are some more news articles.

http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php...r=0&thold=0

http://www.sltrib.com/portal/utah/ci_2961967?_loopback=1


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Vulture]
    #4566587 - 08/22/05 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well obviously the police are going to tell the media they didn't have a permit. It's basically the promoters' word against the police. I wonder if the city keeps records of permits for events like this.

Also notice how the entire account of the event is given from the police's perspective. The media didn't even interview the promoters to get their side of the story. So those newspaper articles are completely one-sided.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: moog]
    #4566597 - 08/22/05 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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moog said:
I wonder if the city keeps records of permits for events like this.





the promoter should have his copy, it doesnt matter if the city has theirs they wont be bothered to look for it


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4566602 - 08/22/05 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand.




If that happened or not, who knows... but that's definitely fucked up if it's true.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: ivi]
    #4566606 - 08/22/05 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Worf]
    #4566657 - 08/22/05 04:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Regardless military tactics should never be used against citizens, that my friends... is in the constitution.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566658 - 08/22/05 04:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hold that let me go find it... there might be some technical flaws in that last statement.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566669 - 08/22/05 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It wasn't the military, it was the cops, in military uniform


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Worf]
    #4566689 - 08/22/05 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it's the tactics that i'm focusing on... it may not be anything but i'm curious so i'm gonna check it out. I want to see what it says. Assault rifles? WTF


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: lostinthestarzzz]
    #4566775 - 08/22/05 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think this is a good thing.

Raves are bad for your brain.

Look what they did to 40.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566840 - 08/22/05 05:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Cowgold said:
Regardless military tactics should never be used against citizens, that my friends... is in the constitution.




unfortunately the War on Drugs has given government the ability to side step the
constitution, the first notable time the military stepped in on US Citizens was
in Waco Tx with the Branch Davidians, the ATF fabricated a meth lab story to
get the support of military troops in finalizing the raid. This was admitted in
a Senate hearing and nothng came of it.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566842 - 08/22/05 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowgold said:
Assault rifles? WTF




Full Auto Maching Guns, thats standard for raids regardless of the type, the military sells them to the cops


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4566864 - 08/22/05 05:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Posse Comitatus Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

this happened also in 1992 at RUBY RIDGE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

our government should have no excuse to use military tactics on civilians.

The Posse Comitatus Act was passed after the Civil War.


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Cowgold]
    #4566897 - 08/22/05 05:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

he Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878, it's since been over ridden by the act
that enabled the war on drugs, it's supposed to deal only with the large cartels
and manufacturers but has also been used for simple drug raids like a group of
the 101st Airborne being used to excecute raids on crack houses as a training
excersize in North Carolina

Ruby Ridge had no military intervention asside from Bo Gritz, but you're right,
the military shouldnt be involved in civilian matter, unfortunately, it's no
longer the case


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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4566901 - 08/22/05 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mitchnast said:
"operating an illegal activity without a permit."

shit i better get me one of them permits



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Re: Utah rave illegally shut down by swat! [Re: blissedout]
    #4566945 - 08/22/05 05:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Posse Comitatus Act is a federal law of the United States (18 U.S.C. ? 1385) passed in 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, and was intended to prohibit Federal troops from supervising elections in former Confederate states.

After the Civil War...

In December 1981 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-78) clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies?including the Coast Guard?especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews.

1981...
Is that when the Drug War over rode this Act?


It's hard to tell if it applies... there was no smuggling involved.

And can this Utah Rave situation even be classified as Military action?


Edited by Cowgold (08/22/05 05:42 PM)


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