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you all cool with suicide?
    #4562657 -

If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so, in fact, I think being there with him/her for there last moments is what me, as a friend, should be there for.

same goes for if they wanted to live, but are going through hard times and thinking about suicide, I would just as gladly and lovingly be there doing my best to help them be happy and want to stay alive, and keep them from killing themselves.

is there something wrong with this view?

peace.

:mushroom2: :grin: :mushroom2:


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hello, your name is life on earth
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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562672 -

JCoke said:
If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so


This sounds like it could definitely turn ugly. I agree that there is nothing wrong with this if your friend truly wanted to die, but his family and the police may feel much differently.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562721 -

It depends on why your friend wants to die. If he is in serious pain or has an unreasonable disability that is understandable. If he is just feeling depressed that then suicide would be wrong. Your assistance in either case would bring legal liabilities. Life is sacred and taking it (even your own) should be an act based in sanity, need, and clarity of mind. I would refuse any such request from any person who made it of me for legal and spiritual reasons.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562777 -

The main thing I would be worried about in your case is the problems that could erupt against you.

I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives; this includes the freedom to end their life if they so wish. Nothing is wrong with your view; it's actually quite compassionate towards this friend of yours to want to be there for him. But you may also suffer for your compassion.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4562815 -

Be carefull and plan well. I agree with Ravus, each individual has the right to his own life. Choose well. :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4562829 -

I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives; this includes the freedom to end their life if they so wish.

We should implement a death penalty for failed suicides. That would make 'em think twice!  :stoned:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #4562862 -

We should implement a death penalty for failed suicides. That would make 'em think twice!

After seeing the picture of the failed suicide by the guy who didn't pick a tall enough building, the death penalty would be a favor.  Besides, wasn't that what they wanted?  Life in prison without possibility of parole. 

Watch Million Dollar Baby, Hillary gets the Oscar  :thumbup:  :thumbup: and Clint makes another depressing movie... :frown:


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4562885 -

*joking irony whooshes over LE's head*

How did you know I just rented that on DVD last night?

I had one thought from the movie: if a boxer clearly blind-sided another long after the bell - couldn't that be considered as aggravated assault and not merely part of the sport?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562928 -

if he/she/anyone, wants to kill them self...

...

This one is almost to obvious...


..

ready?

then...

... They would be dead..

OK.. lets say you want to kill yourself..

and in desperation grab a rope, and climb the nearest tree.. bind it, and jump of. only to find the rope to long..

breaking both legs, you lay there til a Friend came by. and cried to him, I want to kill myself Please help me..

I'd say.. measure the rope next time mate.. and cal an ambulance or whatever..

ramble ramble nonsense.. anyways..  for real. if anyone want to die, for real for sure, they kill them self..

they do not only say they want..

I'm kinda just talking about what my father said when i was young..

"If you do not make food and eat, when crying for food, then you are not really that hungry!"
-Dad :smile:


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #4562959 -

How did you know I just rented that on DVD last night?


I would tell you but you wouldn't believe me.  :grin:

I had one thought from the movie: if a boxer clearly blind-sided another long after the bell - couldn't that be considered as aggravated assault and not merely part of the sport?

Beyond that, they said she lost.  Why wasn't that bitch that blind sided her at least disqualified! 

As for aggravated assault, I recall an ear biting episode by a certain boxer that was not only not prosecuted but this certain boxer recently fought yet again.  No lifetime disqualification for him, nay.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
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JCoke said:
If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so, in fact, I think being there with him/her for there last moments is what me, as a friend, should be there for.

same goes for if they wanted to live, but are going through hard times and thinking about suicide, I would just as gladly and lovingly be there doing my best to help them be happy and want to stay alive, and keep them from killing themselves.

is there something wrong with this view?

peace.

:mushroom2: :grin: :mushroom2:


your friend is life, a living organism, and when life does not wish to live anymore, something is wrong, it is like a car that doesn't drive anymore, because that is what cars do, they drive, and humans live, when they die they are no longer humans.

Perhapse you should find out what the trouble is and try to help him resolve it.

unless of course he already is dying and wishes to shorten the procedure, that is a different story.

sounds to me you are affected by the same problem as he is, and because of that you seen no point in his life. Maybe you are commiting your own suicide through helping his, a drama that has to play out in front of your eyes.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4563069 -

I would help only if he promised me all his neat electronic toys...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4563140 -

"I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives"

I agree, but I tend to think that if someone wants to die they should be able to take care of it without ruining anothers life by implicating them in a crime. That would be an irresponsible act in the extreme....unless the suicidal person is chronically selfish as are most suicidal types. It is usually a last ditch ploy to gain attention or dominance.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563960 -

dr jack kevorkian is doing time in the michigan state penitentiary for "assisting suicide"...


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old enough to know better
not old enough to care

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives"

I agree, but I tend to think that if someone wants to die they should be able to take care of it without ruining anothers life by implicating them in a crime. That would be an irresponsible act in the extreme....unless the suicidal person is chronically selfish as are most suicidal types. It is usually a last ditch ploy to gain attention or dominance.


I agree, but philosophically the society's rules are irrelevant to the individual's freedom, which is why I'd be hesitant to assist the suicidal person; they have their individual freedom to the end, but I'd be the one left over to deal with society's rules and punishments. Perhaps JCoke shouldn't get involved with the actual death, just give him moral and emotional support.

But it's up to him and how much he's willing to risk to help his friend out.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
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"But it's up to him and how much he's willing to risk to help his friend out."

One must consider what is moral support and what is encouraging someone to destroy themself. What do you say? "I love you....kill yourself...I support you....kill yourself...hehe...kill yourself!" See what I mean.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564129 -

You could just let him know that you respect his rights and believe him capable of deciding what he wants. You could tell him you love him no matter what choice he makes. That is a neutral position on the act but the love is active.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
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I prefer my way.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564171 -

NO, you will do it my way.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
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all a very sad business
very sad


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: redgreenvines]
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:yinyang: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp said:
if he/she/anyone, wants to kill them self...

...

This one is almost to obvious...


..

ready?

then...

... They would be dead..

OK.. lets say you want to kill yourself..

and in desperation grab a rope, and climb the nearest tree.. bind it, and jump of. only to find the rope to long..

breaking both legs, you lay there til a Friend came by. and cried to him, I want to kill myself Please help me..

I'd say.. measure the rope next time mate.. and cal an ambulance or whatever..

ramble ramble nonsense.. anyways..  for real. if anyone want to die, for real for sure, they kill them self..

they do not only say they want..

I'm kinda just talking about what my father said when i was young..

"If you do not make food and eat, when crying for food, then you are not really that hungry!"
-Dad :smile:


That's pretty deep,man


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Don't fight it. Just let the illuminados take over your mind. You be at bliss soon.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Unagipie]
    #4564583 -

I say why help them. Someone who really wants to die would just do it. Why don't they join the Marines though? I hear thats a great place to die, plus you will be benefitting society... or would you?


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I do not grow anything illegal.
I do not sell anything.
I am, however, a very curious individual.
I also try to be helpful.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4565524 -

Quote:
unless of course he already is dying and wishes to shorten the procedure, that is a different story.


but are'nt we ALL already dying? I don't know 'bout you man, but i've been living one foot in the grave for as long as I can remember, (not to mention dodging cars, diseases, drug overdoses, and freak accidents all along the way) I think what you mean to say is, if we had the choice to kill ourselves or live for ever, than suicide/assisted suicide would be a different story,,,please tell me more on how it would be "different" if he "was" dying, several people suggested this, it sounds nice, but I don't think it makes any sence...??

Quote:
sounds to me you are affected by the same problem as he is, and because of that you seen no point in his life. Maybe you are commiting your own suicide through helping his, a drama that has to play out in front of your eyes.


My problem? who says suicide is a problem? I really think it's just a "thing", not a good thing, not a bad thing,,,just a thing, some people might like it and see it as a good thing, and of course others might see it as a bad thing, but really it's just a "thing".


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hello, your name is life on earth
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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
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while i respect peoples right to kill themselves i dont think its a good idea. what if as he is dying and he realizes it was a big mistake and he wants to live? so i suppose im against suicide and i would not be able to assist someone unless they were in extreme physical pain with no chance of recovery. with psychological pain there is almost always (if not always) the possibility the person could recover and find happiness so i could never condone or assit in sucide in such a situation and in fact if the situation presented itself i would probably do everything in my power to convince the person to live although in the end i would let him/her make their own decision.

Edited by Deviate (08/22/05 01:37 AM)

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4565879 -

No, I'm not OK with suicide. I'm a crisis intervention counselor. Euthanasia may well have its acceptable conditions (in terminal illness with intractable pain making conscious dying impossible anyway), but suicide in my world-view is tantamount to murder and cowardice. Moreover, the moral status of an individual reflects his/her metaphysical condition according to some ancient notions, so preventing a suicide may be preventing the 'eternalization' of a hell that someone is experiencing. Just a thought, but one that saved my life long ago.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4566545 -

suicide is a cop out! deal with it! get over it!
but... if my friend were dying and their pain is too horrific, I would buy them a big rig of heroin and leave...


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4566556 -

JCoke said:
but are'nt we ALL already dying?


If it wasn't for our impending doom, how could we rightfully say that we are alive? Immortality is death.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #4566594 -

suicide is weak.

Help your friend get through his/her hard times. Do his family memebers know that he is suicidal??


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Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Gomp]
    #4566791 -

Gomp said:
if he/she/anyone, wants to kill them self...

...

This one is almost to obvious...


..

ready?

then...

... They would be dead..

OK.. lets say you want to kill yourself..

and in desperation grab a rope, and climb the nearest tree.. bind it, and jump of. only to find the rope to long..

breaking both legs, you lay there til a Friend came by. and cried to him, I want to kill myself Please help me..

I'd say.. measure the rope next time mate.. and cal an ambulance or whatever..

ramble ramble nonsense.. anyways..  for real. if anyone want to die, for real for sure, they kill them self..

they do not only say they want..

I'm kinda just talking about what my father said when i was young..

"If you do not make food and eat, when crying for food, then you are not really that hungry!"
-Dad :smile:



i totally agree my freind...although i read this quote to a friend whos has a shitty life and whatnot...talks about suicide a lot...and they seemed to take extreme offense to this.


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Work like you dont need the money.

Love like you never been hurt.

Dance like nobody is watching.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #4566812 -

You wouldn't have to. The medical establishment provides ample morphine sulfate for overdose euthanasia. Whoops.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Vulture]
    #4566861 -

"i read this quote to a friend whos has a shitty life and whatnot...talks about suicide a lot...and they seemed to take extreme offense to this."

That doesn't surprise me. Suicidal people tend to be self centered and selfish.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Or perhaps self-centered and selfish people have difficulty creating a life experience worth continuing?

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Veritas]
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Or perhaps people who have lives without any experiences worth continuing become self-centered and selfish?

After all, they don't have much else to live for besides themselves.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4566883 -

"d" All of the Above.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Veritas]
    #4566909 -

I agree. They should all commit suicide by overdosing on LSD.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4566916 -

At least they'd go out with a bang, and a zoom, and some tracers...:grin:

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Veritas]
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[edit:to original poster]
Suicide ? Forget about this business really !
One standard way to getrid of it:
Just contemplate about a world without humans....
really do that ! For quite a looong time !
longlonglong.... until you fetch the warmth and the bliss of that vreation called earth.... see what it gives you, see what it demamds of you in return..only the world (without humans) and you.
Keep this on... until you feel save.
Now tur your view back on the world settled with all those humans.
Keep in focus where your pain derives from !

That's all for first lesson.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (08/22/05 03:42 PM)

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Veritas]
    #4566939 -

I was joking...it is near immpossible to overdose on LSD. It would require about 14000 doses of 500mcg each. At $5 a hit you would need $70,000 dollars to knock yourself off.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4566951 -

Id wanna die on iboga root. Take a dose that will OD you. It will be painful as ive heard from the internet.

Psychedelic death.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4566954 -

Well, if you can't take it with you, might as well use it up when you go!

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4566971 -

I believe it should be discouraged for the simple reason that it's irreversible, but ultimately I believe it is the right of the individual to make that decision for themselves.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Luke]
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Iboga has more in common with amphetimine in it's effects than the true hallucinogens. It is only mildly psychedelic. A better candidate for pscychedelic death would be to blow your brains out in the throes of a DMT frenzy. If you could find your head with the gun barrel that is.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4567205 -

Quote:
gee i like to think of dead it means nearer because deeper
firmer since darker than little round water at one end of
the well it's too cool to be crooked and it's too firm
to be hard but it's sharp and thick and it loves, every
old thing falls in rosebugs and jackknives and kittens and
pennies they all sit there looking at each other having the
fastest time because they've never met before


dead's more even than how many ways of sitting on
your head your unnatural hair has in the morning


dead's clever too like POF goes the alarm off and the
little striker having the best time tickling away every-
body's brain so everybody just puts out their finger
and they stuff the poor thing all full of fingers


dead has a smile like the nicest man you've never met
who maybe winks at you in a streetcar and you pretend
you don't but really you do see and you are My how
glad he winked and hope he'll do it again


or if it talks about you somewhere behind your back it
makes your neck feel pleasant and stoopid and if
dead says may i have this one and was never intro-
duced you say Yes because you know you want it to
dance with you and it wants to and it can dance and
Whocares


dead's fine like hands do you see that water flowerpots
in windows but they live higher in their house than
you so that's all you see but you don't want to


dead's happy like the way underclothes All so differ-
ently solemn and inti and sitting on one string


dead never says my dear,Time for your musiclesson
and you like music and to have somebody play who
can but you know you never can and why have to?


dead's nice like a dance where you danced simple hours
and you take all your prickley-clothes off and squeeze-
into-largeness without one word and you lie still as
anything in largeness and this largeness begins to
give you,the dance all over again and you,feel all again
all over the way men you liked made you feel when they
touched you(but that's not all)because largeness tells
you so you can feel what you made,men feel when,you
touched,them


dead's sorry like a thistlefluff-thing which goes land-
ing away all by himself on somebody's roof or some-
thing where who-ever-heard-of-growing and nobody
expects you to anyway


dead says come with me he says(andwhyevernot)into
the round well and see the kitten and the penny and
the jackknife and the rosebug
and you say Sure you
say (like that) sure i'll come with you you say for i
like kittens i do and jackknives i do and pennies i do
and rosebugs i do

e.e. cummings


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
of the failed suicide by the guy who didn't pick a tall enough building, the death penalty would be a favor.  Besides, wasn't that what they wanted?  Life in prison without possibility of parole. 


Yes, we should sentence someone who attempted to kill themselves into jail for the rest of their life. I mean, they are very emotionally troubled and cannot help themselves out, right? Prison's just, fair punishment for them.












:rolleyes:
:lol:
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: fireworks_god]
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did anyone see the first episode from the latest Six Feet Under season?

in the intro, this kid is at a psychedelic party of sorts and is tripping his balls off on LSD. the way they portrayed it was awesome. well anyways, he goes out onto the roof with this chick, says "I gotta go," and leaps off the edge. He drops like twenty stories onto the hood of a car.

later in the episode, wacky hijinks ensue, as the boy's cremated ashes are intentionally switched and given to the wrong person.

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Grav]
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I'm not exactly cool with suicide... but some people have something that's inescapable. I'm not going to get real deep because it seems that most of you would slam my point of view because I am suicidal. But at the current moment I suffer from Bipolar, Schizophrenia, Hypothyroidism, and my gall bladder is starting to quit. So keep in mind that the thyroid can make bipolar unbearable.

I can't take meds because my gallbladder can't help digest them. The thyroid makes anti-depressants inactive on me right now, I can't eat or sleep due to bipolar and gallbladder. I've lost 50 lbs., and the thyroid puts you in a deep depression when it doesn't work right and you have bipolar... source www.psycheducation.org Look up Thyroid.

So for me, after suffering the past 2.5 years, trying over 150 different medications, 6 Dr.'s, numerous ER visits for episodes, and $100,000 in Dr. bills... I'm nowhere. I'm not better, I'm actually a lot worse then when the illness came on in 2003. For the past 4 months all the Dr.'s told me my stomach problems were in my head and they ignored the blood test results that had 6 deficient areas. So... for once I consider myself with a real reason to consider suicide.

In the past suicide wasn't an option because I knew it had to get better... but after 2.5 years it never got better. Everyone please keep in mind... I'm not sitting here now contemplating it. But this is a very interesting post and it's kind of made me think a little about some things.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: popnganja420]
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hey man i can empathize somewhat. my situation is similar, yet i have additional complications. i also have a situation that is not rectifiable. i've had it for five years and it there is no way to fix it. suicide has been my only option really and thats all ive thought about for the past five years. somehow im still here.. because i want to continue to live despite all the fucking pain. like you, i dont know what the fuck im going to do.


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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Locus]
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It's hard to feel with you (both) on that for those, who have not such terminal illness.

There are still many beautiful things to experience and do in life...

But, perhaps just prepare a fast and effective suicide-method, so that just in case you really need it, you won't have to worry about ? Until usage of that, just enjoy life and try looking for help...

Sorry if that sounds a bit dull, but isn't it all about not loosing our 'quality of life'... ?


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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For me I don't really have a "quality" to life at all. As it is right now, for me that is, with all the physical problems I have here is my problems from most severe to less severe. Thyroid TSH level nonexistent, Gall Bladder, bipolar, schizophrenia, depression, extreme irritability, uncontrollable psychosis upon certain triggers such as anger, can't eat hardly anything due to gallbladder -50lbs., too weak to barely take a shower or brush teeth due to thyroid levels and weight loss, can't take medications due to interactions with gallbladder going out, and because of my psychotic episodes my 2nd self is basically turning on everyone. When I get so depressed, which typically lasts about 18 hours a day... NO JOKE! I turn on everyone... doesn't matter who. My mom, my fiance who has been by my side since the illness surfaced in 2003.

My quality of life has suffered so great... and that's why I think about it constantly. I have mildly attempted about 3-4 times over the past 3 years... and it only happens when this damn depression sets in. Right now I'm fine, but if some kind of stress shows up then it sends my body into shock because I don't know how to deal with it. This stress can be something like someone asking a dumb question, or someone standing too close to me, or someone cutting me off while driving (I'm not allowed to drive anymore due to the psychotic episodes). I haven't given up, but once depressed my world is literally turned upside down and I can't get through it, and while depressed my mind completely changes. It's not me that comes out from what everyone says, sometimes my fiance and mom also claim that my eyes change from normal to depressed mode and they say my eyes get dark and evil. And what really sucks is while depressed I take everything out on myself, I basically beat myself up literally. I have put my head through a metal filing cabinet, walls, doors, and I've broken my hand about 5 times... to the point of needing surgery because I get so psychotic and the only person there is my fiance and I can't hit her. I really want to pound on someone and just let it all out, but I would kill that person within seconds and it wouldn't be good enough.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: popnganja420]
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Strong stuff.
That's I proposed a quick and fatal way of suicide, for preperation only, if there are no ways out anymore.
But before, I am sure, you will have made yourself knowledge about the scientific treatments of medicine and doctors. Try as much, until you find those, who bring you relief.
Adn then, perhaps you also could want to visit some spiritual helper. That starts from a good psychologist, goes over shamans to priests or something... Same here, try as many, until you found relief.

And keep on looking, what on the one side brings you physical and spiritual relief and what on the other side makes life lifeworthy. Go with that, what brings quality into your life, or ask some friends to help you gaining it (nature, study,...whatever you need).

Icelander surely has some help-kit available in his spiritual nature-treasure-chest, as he offered. :smile:

I wish I could help anyhow, but I think, all I can do is giving you some warm proposes from the best of my heart. They may sound dull, but they are the best I have to offer. You surely have done much of this....


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Thanks for all the encouraging words.


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