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OfflineJCoke
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you all cool with suicide?
    #4562657 - 08/21/05 03:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so, in fact, I think being there with him/her for there last moments is what me, as a friend, should be there for.

same goes for if they wanted to live, but are going through hard times and thinking about suicide, I would just as gladly and lovingly be there doing my best to help them be happy and want to stay alive, and keep them from killing themselves.

is there something wrong with this view?

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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562672 - 08/21/05 03:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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JCoke said:
If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so




This sounds like it could definitely turn ugly. I agree that there is nothing wrong with this if your friend truly wanted to die, but his family and the police may feel much differently.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562721 - 08/21/05 03:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It depends on why your friend wants to die. If he is in serious pain or has an unreasonable disability that is understandable. If he is just feeling depressed that then suicide would be wrong. Your assistance in either case would bring legal liabilities. Life is sacred and taking it (even your own) should be an act based in sanity, need, and clarity of mind. I would refuse any such request from any person who made it of me for legal and spiritual reasons.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562777 - 08/21/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The main thing I would be worried about in your case is the problems that could erupt against you.

I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives; this includes the freedom to end their life if they so wish. Nothing is wrong with your view; it's actually quite compassionate towards this friend of yours to want to be there for him. But you may also suffer for your compassion.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4562815 - 08/21/05 03:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Be carefull and plan well. I agree with Ravus, each individual has the right to his own life. Choose well. :heart:


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4562829 - 08/21/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives; this includes the freedom to end their life if they so wish.

We should implement a death penalty for failed suicides. That would make 'em think twice!  :stoned:


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #4562862 - 08/21/05 04:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We should implement a death penalty for failed suicides. That would make 'em think twice!

After seeing the picture of the failed suicide by the guy who didn't pick a tall enough building, the death penalty would be a favor.  Besides, wasn't that what they wanted?  Life in prison without possibility of parole. 

Watch Million Dollar Baby, Hillary gets the Oscar  :thumbup:  :thumbup: and Clint makes another depressing movie... :frown:


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4562885 - 08/21/05 04:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

*joking irony whooshes over LE's head*

How did you know I just rented that on DVD last night?

I had one thought from the movie: if a boxer clearly blind-sided another long after the bell - couldn't that be considered as aggravated assault and not merely part of the sport?


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4562928 - 08/21/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

if he/she/anyone, wants to kill them self...

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This one is almost to obvious...


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ready?

then...

... They would be dead..

OK.. lets say you want to kill yourself..

and in desperation grab a rope, and climb the nearest tree.. bind it, and jump of. only to find the rope to long..

breaking both legs, you lay there til a Friend came by. and cried to him, I want to kill myself Please help me..

I'd say.. measure the rope next time mate.. and cal an ambulance or whatever..

ramble ramble nonsense.. anyways..  for real. if anyone want to die, for real for sure, they kill them self..

they do not only say they want..

I'm kinda just talking about what my father said when i was young..

"If you do not make food and eat, when crying for food, then you are not really that hungry!"
-Dad :smile:


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #4562959 - 08/21/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

How did you know I just rented that on DVD last night?


I would tell you but you wouldn't believe me.  :grin:

I had one thought from the movie: if a boxer clearly blind-sided another long after the bell - couldn't that be considered as aggravated assault and not merely part of the sport?

Beyond that, they said she lost.  Why wasn't that bitch that blind sided her at least disqualified! 

As for aggravated assault, I recall an ear biting episode by a certain boxer that was not only not prosecuted but this certain boxer recently fought yet again.  No lifetime disqualification for him, nay.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4563038 - 08/21/05 04:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JCoke said:
If I have a friend who wants to kill himself, I would'nt mind assisting him or her in doing so, in fact, I think being there with him/her for there last moments is what me, as a friend, should be there for.

same goes for if they wanted to live, but are going through hard times and thinking about suicide, I would just as gladly and lovingly be there doing my best to help them be happy and want to stay alive, and keep them from killing themselves.

is there something wrong with this view?

peace.

:mushroom2: :grin: :mushroom2:




your friend is life, a living organism, and when life does not wish to live anymore, something is wrong, it is like a car that doesn't drive anymore, because that is what cars do, they drive, and humans live, when they die they are no longer humans.

Perhapse you should find out what the trouble is and try to help him resolve it.

unless of course he already is dying and wishes to shorten the procedure, that is a different story.

sounds to me you are affected by the same problem as he is, and because of that you seen no point in his life. Maybe you are commiting your own suicide through helping his, a drama that has to play out in front of your eyes.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4563069 - 08/21/05 04:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I would help only if he promised me all his neat electronic toys...


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4563140 - 08/21/05 05:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives"

I agree, but I tend to think that if someone wants to die they should be able to take care of it without ruining anothers life by implicating them in a crime. That would be an irresponsible act in the extreme....unless the suicidal person is chronically selfish as are most suicidal types. It is usually a last ditch ploy to gain attention or dominance.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563960 - 08/21/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

dr jack kevorkian is doing time in the michigan state penitentiary for "assisting suicide"...


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564097 - 08/21/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"I see nothing wrong with suicide, and believe people should have dominance over their own lives"

I agree, but I tend to think that if someone wants to die they should be able to take care of it without ruining anothers life by implicating them in a crime. That would be an irresponsible act in the extreme....unless the suicidal person is chronically selfish as are most suicidal types. It is usually a last ditch ploy to gain attention or dominance.




I agree, but philosophically the society's rules are irrelevant to the individual's freedom, which is why I'd be hesitant to assist the suicidal person; they have their individual freedom to the end, but I'd be the one left over to deal with society's rules and punishments. Perhaps JCoke shouldn't get involved with the actual death, just give him moral and emotional support.

But it's up to him and how much he's willing to risk to help his friend out.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Ravus]
    #4564121 - 08/21/05 09:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"But it's up to him and how much he's willing to risk to help his friend out."

One must consider what is moral support and what is encouraging someone to destroy themself. What do you say? "I love you....kill yourself...I support you....kill yourself...hehe...kill yourself!" See what I mean.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564129 - 08/21/05 09:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You could just let him know that you respect his rights and believe him capable of deciding what he wants. You could tell him you love him no matter what choice he makes. That is a neutral position on the act but the love is active.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #4564155 - 08/21/05 09:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer my way.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564171 - 08/21/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

NO, you will do it my way.


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Re: you all cool with suicide? [Re: JCoke]
    #4564182 - 08/21/05 09:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

all a very sad business
very sad


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