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 myCo_psyCo
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 Re: Rat killed from shrooms?  [Re: LazyCrash]
#4562807 - 08/21/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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one of my friends had a rabbit that died about a day later after eating a 'shroom.......but we didnt know if it was it
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 yousuck
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ShroomKillabrew said:
Never mind the LD50 for humans is 1680 grams of dried mushrooms. That's 3.69 pounds of dried shrooms. It would be impossible for a human to die from shrooms.
have you ever taken a beyond-heroic dose of shrooms? yes, its very possible to die, you could easily have a heart attack from the rapid heart rate it gives you. Ive always heard people mention that you black out at the highest doses of a drug, and this may be the case with THC, but psilo is much different. there is no blacking out, there is just panic attacks and severe load on the body and mind, close to that of torture.
Did these "scientists" who gave the # of grams for the LD50 of humans take in account the psycological and physical truama experienced at even half those levels? no, because they were basing their findings off of mice, then comapring weight ratio's. Scientists shouldnt be dabbling in the affairs of psychonauts. Aside from that, they didnt take in account all the other natural alkaloids present in different samples of mushrooms, they were most likely using synth'd psilocybin or psilocin. Even if their findings were correct, it would be impossible to use that information to determine a correct dosage of mushrooms.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: yousuck]
#4562825 - 08/21/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yousuck said:
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ShroomKillabrew said:
Never mind the LD50 for humans is 1680 grams of dried mushrooms. That's 3.69 pounds of dried shrooms. It would be impossible for a human to die from shrooms.
have you ever taken a beyond-heroic dose of shrooms? yes, its very possible to die, you could easily have a heart attack from the rapid heart rate it gives you. Ive always heard people mention that you black out at the highest doses of a drug, and this may be the case with THC, but psilo is much different. there is no blacking out, there is just panic attacks and severe load on the body and mind, close to that of torture.
Did these "scientists" who gave the # of grams for the LD50 of humans take in account the psycological and physical truama experienced at even half those levels? no, because they were basing their findings off of mice, then comapring weight ratio's. Scientists shouldnt be dabbling in the affairs of psychonauts. Aside from that, they didnt take in account all the other natural alkaloids present in different samples of mushrooms, they were most likely using synth'd psilocybin or psilocin. Even if their findings were correct, it would be impossible to use that information to determine a correct dosage of mushrooms.
Can u give a link to atleast 1 documented death due to the ingestion of shrooms alone please? 
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Annom]
#4563142 - 08/21/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Annom said:
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Ramuh said:
The LD50 for psilocybin in rats is 280mg/kg (LD50 means the dosage it takes to kill 50% of the subjects, obviously done on rats and such).
So...280mg is .28g if Im not mistaken. Assuming the scale could possibly be inaccurate to the point of the dose he gave the rat being 150mg, this would mean that a .5kg rat or less probably would've had a good chance of dying from that dose, yes.
Someone correct my math if I'm wrong please.
150mg of mushrooms is not the same as 150mg of psilocybin. 150mg of psilocybin is about equal to 15g of fresh Cubensis.
Ahh, thank you. I knew something was wrong with that number, because even for a rat that seemed really low :P.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Ramuh]
#4563493 - 08/21/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Theres the possibility that it had a heart attack, so you can't conclude definitely that the shrooms were the real killer...I mean, they ultimately were in either case, but you never know.
But, yeah, this situation is definitely possible.
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ShroomKillabrew said:
LD50 for humans is 1680 grams of dried mushrooms.
Where is this information from?
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: coda]
#4563545 - 08/21/05 04:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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coda said:
i just think its fucked up to give any unsuspecting animal drugs. This is why. What purpose did killing that rat serve, just to see what would happen? People never fail to amaze me and disgust me at the same time.
animals have been easting shroom forever, terrence suspects its part of evolutionary success.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Annom]
#4563682 - 08/21/05 05:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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150mg of mushrooms is not the same as 150mg of psilocybin. 150mg of psilocybin is about equal to 15g of fresh Cubensis.
I don't mean to be a stickler but I don't think that's right. The average dose of mushrooms has between 10-25mg of psilocybin, and that's roughly 30 grams wet cubensis.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: dblaney]
#4563762 - 08/21/05 06:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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dblaney18 has it right. thanks for catching it--if not i would have!
150mg of pure psilocybin is an insanely high dose. in a controlled setting, one would normally eat only about 20mg for a medium-strong trip.
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yousuck
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Ginseng1]
#4563819 - 08/21/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
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yousuck said:
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ShroomKillabrew said:
Never mind the LD50 for humans is 1680 grams of dried mushrooms. That's 3.69 pounds of dried shrooms. It would be impossible for a human to die from shrooms.
have you ever taken a beyond-heroic dose of shrooms? yes, its very possible to die, you could easily have a heart attack from the rapid heart rate it gives you. Ive always heard people mention that you black out at the highest doses of a drug, and this may be the case with THC, but psilo is much different. there is no blacking out, there is just panic attacks and severe load on the body and mind, close to that of torture.
Did these "scientists" who gave the # of grams for the LD50 of humans take in account the psycological and physical truama experienced at even half those levels? no, because they were basing their findings off of mice, then comapring weight ratio's. Scientists shouldnt be dabbling in the affairs of psychonauts. Aside from that, they didnt take in account all the other natural alkaloids present in different samples of mushrooms, they were most likely using synth'd psilocybin or psilocin. Even if their findings were correct, it would be impossible to use that information to determine a correct dosage of mushrooms.
Can u give a link to atleast 1 documented death due to the ingestion of shrooms alone please?
none that come to mind, but im not big on researching stuff anyways. id like to think that most people who ingest psilocybin mushrooms intentionally do with the intention of not OD'ing and killing themselves. honestly, how many cases have you heard of pople ODing on mushrooms? not alot, since most people are more careful than that. Of course im not one of those careful people 
of course, someone is more likely to fall and hit their head on something, or do something stupid to kill themselves than they are to suffer from a heart attack.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: yousuck]
#4563825 - 08/21/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heart wise, you're much more at risk smoking pot. It can potentially aggravate heart conditions, mushrooms, not so much.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: dblaney]
#4565261 - 08/21/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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dblaney18 said:
150mg of mushrooms is not the same as 150mg of psilocybin. 150mg of psilocybin is about equal to 15g of fresh Cubensis.
I don't mean to be a stickler but I don't think that's right. The average dose of mushrooms has between 10-25mg of psilocybin, and that's roughly 30 grams wet cubensis.
Yeah, it's wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. It should have been 150g. Calculation with 1 milligrams of psilocybin per gram of fresh cubensis.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Annom]
#4565318 - 08/21/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I put a little peice of shroom im rat's cage one time and I don't know if he ate it or not but he was definatly alive last time I saw him.
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Ginseng1]
#4566167 - 08/22/05 10:25 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
Its just a rat...
It might be just a rat, but it is still a lifeform, and as such, should still be respected.
I doubt very highly the psilocybin killed it. But as was previously mentioned... it probably had a heart attack from fear. Not being able to comprehend what was happening to it! IMO
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Rob
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Re: Rat killed from shrooms? [Re: Shdwstr]
#4569018 - 08/22/05 11:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please DO NOT give any pot smoke to your pets, especially a dog. I know a girl who brought her fully grown german sheppard into a hot box (stupid move to begin with), and as the story goes, the dog died within minutes inside the hotbox. Don't be stupid, use your own drugs. Animals can't say no, and of course they'll eat it, it's food to them.
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