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making salvia less, "horrible"
    #4559661 - 08/20/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

hey dudes. I last used salvia about 9 months ago. I dont regret using it at all, but the experiences were all very unpleasant, uncomfortable, etc. Has anyone who originally had such feelings managed to overcome them and enjoy the actual trip? Any ideas? I guess a change of setting is a good idea for one thing

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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: rock_ten]
    #4559683 - 08/20/05 05:16 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

My best experiences with salvia are as follows.

I find salvia takes up to a minute to fully manifest. What I do is, take a bowl of salvia in a huge rip, and hold it for as long as you can. Blow it out, take one breath, then take a prepared balloon of nitrous. the nitrous clears the slate of my mind, and allows the salvia to do its thing.

However, no matter what, salvia always makes me feel clammy and icky for a few minutes afterwards.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: InjectTruth]
    #4559823 - 08/20/05 06:14 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

In my experience, nitrous is a salvia killer. The nitrous invaded my conciousness and busted up what salvia was showing me at the time. Twice.

But, I did the nitrous a couple minutes into the trip, not before the onset. Both times.

Sometimes salvia literally causes physical pain as it 'rips you apart'

...using another substance (beer, weed, X, shrooms), in my experience, takes away much of the uncomfortable physical feelings. Note that in turn, the mental aspect intensifies.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: rock_ten]
    #4559851 - 08/20/05 06:25 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

no you cant really make it less 'horrible', thats the way salvia is.. it makes you feel like crap.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: Infrared]
    #4560394 - 08/20/05 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

wow, i took two salvia trips and had an incredible time on both of them. while it was very bizzare, it did not make me feel bad at all. it was really interesting and amazing actually.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: rock_ten]
    #4561746 - 08/21/05 04:38 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

How about using far smaller dosages?

If its too intense for you you got to cut down on dose, its the sage thing to do. Use small doses (1/50-1/25gr of 10x does it for me) and close your eyes.

You want it so wild that you're overloading your brain and dont even realize it.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: Asante]
    #4562240 - 08/21/05 12:50 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

"its the sage thing to do"

lol. Good pun!


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4562271 - 08/21/05 12:58 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

WHAT ABOUT DOIN DUSTER WITH IT


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: dirdyAus]
    #4562274 - 08/21/05 12:59 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Oh, you're funny.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #4562816 - 08/21/05 03:47 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

salvia is salvia. the best thing you could do is take it while taking a cold shower in the dark to cut down on the negative body effects.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: yousuck]
    #4563090 - 08/21/05 05:03 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Don't smoke it. It's meant to be taken sublingualy. The native americans who used it traditionaly didn't smoke it and they certianly didn't have 20x extracts. I'm not speaking from personal experience but I imagine it's probably a lot less instense and more enjoyable when it's taken as a tincture.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: WackyTobaccy]
    #4563389 - 08/21/05 06:24 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I would like to try the sublingual method myself. All that happens when I smoke it now is that I bust out into a cold sweat, I laugh for no reason, and I feel a lot of pressure on my body, mostly my head. I doubt it will ever be like the first time I did it, which really worked well because I had no idea what to expect.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4563832 - 08/21/05 08:23 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

sublingually you say? i think ive heard of this method somewhere. i also heard it tastes bad, but what psychdelic doesnt?

i'd love to hear the differences in trip quality. id do it myself, but no salvia....


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: yousuck]
    #4564564 - 08/21/05 11:14 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

its not the experience that is amazing, its the feelings you have after its over that are great. the experience was bizzare and frightening to me, completely forgetting about everything i knew about life. after it was over i felt reborn and had new ideas and feelings toward life. too bad it only lasted 2 days then i felt stupid after.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: JEDI]
    #4564589 - 08/21/05 11:19 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I haven't tried either method but I plan on dosing sublingualy sometime in the near future. Unfortunately there aren't any trip reports regarding the sublingual method on erowid.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: WackyTobaccy]
    #4565445 - 08/22/05 02:35 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I made a trip report of 10gr fresh leaves some days ago.

It's bitter but not overly so. You'll get 1 hour of primary effect and then descent for another hour. You have to watch yourself chewing, keeping it under control and swallow in time to not get a gag reflex.

You'll get closed eye visuals at this and higher doses which lead you through entire sequences of events.
If experience means "intensity" for you you should smoke extract.
If experience means "content" for you, chewing is the way to go.

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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: Asante]
    #4565856 - 08/22/05 06:56 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

thanks dudes. Ive wanted to try the "chewing" method, but only have extract. I guess its worth a try anyway despite warnings from some others that it will just be a waste of the extract. Ive asked on here before if anyone has ever chewed extract - no1 said they had. I might try it.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: rock_ten]
    #4565868 - 08/22/05 07:17 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Can be terrifying, can be beautiful - check out my trip report in the trip reports forum.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: theorganicdomino]
    #4601646 - 08/31/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'd like to know about chewing extract to. I just ordered 5x online(13.5 mg salvinorin a per gram), but after reading a lot more on it since then, I find that chewing will definately be what I want to do. Do people commonly chew extract? If so, then how much extract should be used to chew? All of the guides tell how much extract to smoke or how much raw leaves to chew, but not about chewing extract.


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Re: making salvia less, "horrible" [Re: XMadZappa]
    #4601818 - 08/31/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Intestity? Man saliva makes me feel like the walls are closing in and I need to get out. Really unplesant experience, I can't bring myself todo it. Yopo owns saliva... at least it is not scary as shit.


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