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Self Sabotage
    #4558813 - 08/20/05 01:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Who's got what to say on their understanding of it? Why do you think people sabotage themselves in their efforts? What are some ideas for overcoming such a pattern?


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4558865 - 08/20/05 01:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Awareness of such a pattern is the initiation of overcoming such a pattern. I doubt that such a pattern would exist within a mind if their was a conscious realization and a deep understanding of the nature of such a pattern. Conflicting viewpoints and motivations within a mind is what is to be held accountable for such a pattern.

If a person has a whole-hearted desire to be a professional musician, there are aspects of that role that need to be fufilled in order for such a role to be obtained. A goal has steps that need to be followed and a destination to be arrived at. If a person holds desire to fufill a role or to meet a goal, but yet does not act on them, perhaps there are other desired roles that they also divert focus and attention towards, which could either limit the effort put into the first goal, or perhaps the goals conflict. Perhaps the person does not realize all of the necessary requirements for meeting the goal or getting where they wish to be. Perhaps they do but other aspects of their self take emotional issues with fufilling them, perhaps these aspects see those steps as being boring, or too much work, or perhaps they are afraid of failure, or of what others might think, etc. etc. etc. A person could have a perfect understanding of what needs to be done and still not "walk the walk" due to self issues. A fragmented, illusory sense of self will not accomplish much as it will be in conflict with itself and will not properly conduct awareness and understanding.

There are obviously a near infinite amount of ways that such a pattern can take form, but the fundamental point is that a mind that has the proper desire and the necessary understanding will not face such problems.

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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4558905 - 08/20/05 01:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The first thing you said is important. You can't even begin to solve a problem until you can see it there. Einstein agreed-


"You cannot solve a problem on the same level that it was created.
You must rise above it to the next level." --Albert Einstein

Nice insights on the path to self sabotage.

I'd like to keep hearing more and more perspectives on this and see where it goes or if a new perspective comes out I haven't viewed before on it.

So many people do it, sabotage themselves it is. Awareness of how the pattern sets and how to learn from it and break it should be a mandatory course in highschool.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4558933 - 08/20/05 02:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Also, I don't think it is possible to "sabotage the self". The summation of what encompasses the person is the self. I think it is only possible for aspects of the sense of self to sabotage (intentionally or not) other aspects of the sense of self.

For example, if I want to be a lawyer, and am enrolled in school for it, but yet I do not study and instead drink and smack some asses around, listening to disco all the while, all of the facets of that experience and of all my motivations and actions total to be "the self". There isn't one true path defined by the self that is sabotaged. Various possibilities and intended paths are crossing and the actions taken as a result reveal the "true path" that the self wishes to undertake (regardless of whether or not this is because of ignorance, preference, etc.).

Simply a point concerning semantics, I think, but yet I think it is interesting to note, even if it was not properly expressed. :grin:

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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4558960 - 08/20/05 02:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly! One aspect of the self, sabotages the goals of another aspect of the self that wants them.

Obviously, one aspect is predominant and wins. Ever notice that in the situation you described, the person sits around wondering why they haven't become a Lawyer yet.

Notice how the behavior of the predominant aspect goes unrecognized as the saboteur. We've all seen others or ourselves put the blame of the saboteur out there and not on a predominant self aspect.

It's like the Einstein quote. You have to rise above the situation before you can see it and begin to fix it it seems.

Anyone have anything to say on how we go about rising above something to get a better view of it?

It seems it just happens naturally or some event transpires that results in your giving yourself a lift up.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4558977 - 08/20/05 02:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

do you self sabotage jiggy?


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4559018 - 08/20/05 02:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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question_for_joo said:
do you self sabotage jiggy?




She's more adept at sabotaging others. :wink:


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4559045 - 08/20/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ha Ha ha FW.

Oh sure Joo!

I catch myself doing it all of the time. Usually, I catch it when I am in an upliftment mode. I've seen everyone I know do it regarding something, even with things like exercising more or saving money.

I'm intrigued as to why you can be doing it with something for so long and not even notice.

The mind is interesting, how it hides aspects form others.

I like exploring this topic.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4559333 - 08/20/05 03:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Usually, I catch it when I am in an upliftment mode.


That's because you (and me and others) aren't 100% comfortable with success.  You have been taught it's egotistical to flaunt success, you don't deserve it, and besides what a pain to have to maintain all that success anyway.  So, when you are "in an upliftment mode" (nicely put BTW) is the perfect time to bring in a little "grounding".

The other reason you may sabatoge at this time has to do with others.  There will be people jealous of your success  :blush: who would just love to discourage you.  In fact, the discouragement fraternity is everywhere.

So, to maintain success is not easy.  To fail is easy plus a lot of people love to gripe about their failures.  Misery loves company.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4559380 - 08/20/05 04:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If a person has a whole-hearted desire to be a professional musician

Why not a Major League baseball player?  Why not the President? 

Goals are only good if they are realistic.  I know you are probably damn good on the guitar, for instance.  You may be in a band, and perhaps you and the band can eke out some kind of existence playing for money.  The reason there are so many starving musicians is that there are so many musicians in the first place.  Plus, the one's that "make it" in Hollywood etc. have PR men, agents, or are the brother-in-law of the record company president.

Did you like the way I discouraged you?  Probably not.

Seriously, though you should be the best guitar player you can, have fun with it, play gigs for free or for money, meet a lot of people.  :cool:


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4559404 - 08/20/05 04:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

People often sabotage themselves when they acheive a level of success that puts them out of their comfort zone.


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    #4559482 - 08/20/05 04:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

People often sabotage themselves when they acheive a level of success that puts them out of their comfort zone.

Excellent point. To not self-sabotage therefore means one must expand one's comfort zone. Goal setting can help. Becoming comfortable with previously uncomfortable situations takes attention, practice and dedication.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4559561 - 08/20/05 04:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I concur.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4559979 - 08/20/05 07:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

gettinjiggywithit said:
I'm intrigued as to why you can be doing it with something for so long and not even notice.

The mind is interesting, how it hides aspects form others.

I like exploring this topic.




It's a real coincidence you posted a thread like this cause I self-sabotaged this week about as worsely as I have for over two years. I sent 28 emails to a friend who I forgave recently. In many of these emails I cut him apart, using the cruellest things I could think of to say to him, and I repealed my forgiveness and I cursed the day I met him. He was my last friend from real life and now I have none and I feel worse now than I did a week ago when I had forgiven him. It's not really important what he did, he actually flaked out on finding a place with me, he flakes out all the time. Anyway, that was a great example of self sabotage, cursing out my last friend and I don't know what possessed me to repeal my forgiveness...but one thing is I felt like "hey, joo, come on, you gotta start sticking up for yourself, it's not too late to repeal your forgiveness, it's not too late to stand up for yourself and tell this mean game-playin fool off again." and i did that, but it feels like it's worse now that i should have stuck with the forgiveness. i feel really mixed up and i don't know who's a friend and who's not and who's messing with me on purpose and where it's all in my head and where it's real so for me this kind of self sabotage comes from doubt and confusion, like what Hamlet goes through in acts I-IV.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4560971 - 08/20/05 11:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Because you said this guy has been unreliable in the past, I don't see it much as being a case of self sabotage as I do one of your following your gut instincts that this guy will make a lousy room mate and probably stiff you on his share of the rent and bills here and there.

Sure, you impositioned yourself to have to find someone else and that will take more time, but if you play your cards right, it may pay off big for you in the long run. Try not to look at the short term damage and instead look at the long term better potential that is now possible.

In the case of a room mate search, maybe its best just to look for an ideal room mate and not a friend to live with. That's what I would do.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4561046 - 08/21/05 12:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

From the Great Maslow himself:

THE JONAH COMPLEX

I would like to turn to one of the many reasons for what Angyal (4) called the evasion of growth. We have, all of us, an impulse to improve ourselves, an impulse toward actualizing more of our potentialities, toward self-actualization, or full humanness or human fulfillment, or whatever term you like. Granted this, then what holds us up? what blocks us?
One such defense against growth that I'd like to speak about specially because it hasn't been noticed much-I shall call the Jonah Complex.

In my own notes I had at first labeled this defense the "Fear of one;s own greatness" or the "evasion of one's destiny" or the "running away from one's own best talents." I had wanted to stress as bluntly and sharply as I could the non-Freudian point that we fear our best as well as our worst, even though in different ways.. It is certainly possible for most of us to be greater than we are in actuality. We all have unused potentialities or not fully developed ones. It is certainly true that many of us evade our constitutionally suggested vocations (call, destiny, task in life, mission). So often we run away from the responsibilities dictated (or rather suggested) by nature, by fate, even sometimes by accident, just as Jonah tried-in vain-to run away from his fate.
We fear our highest possibilities (as well as our lowest ones). We are generally afraid to become that which we can glimpse in our most perfect moments, under the most perfect conditions, under conditions of greatest courage. We enjoy and even thrill to the godlike possibilities we see in ourselves in such peak moments. And yet we simultaneously shiver with weakness, awe, and fear before these very same possibilities.


I have found it easy enough to demonstrate this to my students simply by asking, "Which of you in this class hopes to write the great American novel, or to be a Senator, or Governor, or President? Who wants to be Secretary-general of the United Nations? Or a great composer? Who aspires to be a saint, like Schwietzer, perhaps? Who among you will be a great leader?" Generally everybody starts giggling, blushing, and squirming until I ask, "If not you, then who else?" Which of course is the truth. And in this same way, as I push my graduate students toward these higher levels of aspiration, I'll say "What great book are you now secretly planning to write?" And then they often blush and stammer and push me off in some way. But why should I not ask that question? Who else will write the books on psychology except psychologists? So I can ask, "Do you not plan to be a psychologist?" "Well, yes." "Are you in training to be a mute or an inactive psychologist? What's the advantage of that? That's not a good path to self-actualization. No, you must want to be the first-class psychologist, meaning the best, the very best you are capable of becoming. If you deliberately plan to be less than you are capable of being, then I warn you that you''ll be deeply unhappy for the rest of your life. You will be evading your own capacities, your own possibilities."

Not only are we ambivalent about our own highest possibilities, we are also in a perpetual and I think universal-perhaps even necessary-conflict and ambivalence over these same highest possibilities in other people, and in human nature in general. Certainly we love and admire good men, saints honest, virtuous, clean men. But could anybody who has looked into the depths of human nature fail to be aware of our mixed and often hostile feelings toward saintly men? Or toward very beautiful women or men? Or toward great creators? Or toward our intellectual geniuses? I t is not necessary to be a psychotherapist to see this phenomenon-let us call it "counter-valuing." Any reading of history will turn up plenty of examples, or perhaps even I could say that any such historical search might fail to turn up a single exception throughout the whole history of mankind. We surely love and admire all the persons who have incarnated the true, the good, the beautiful, the just, the perfect, the ultimately successful. And yet they also make us uneasy, anxious, confused, perhaps a little jealous or envious, a little inferior, clumsy. They usually make us lose our aplomb, our self-possession, and self-regard.

Here we have a first clue. My impression so far is that the greatest people, simply by their presence and by being what they are, make us feel aware of our lesser worthy, whether or not they intend to. If this is an unconscious effect, and we are no aware of why we feel stupid or ugly or inferior whenever such a person turns up, we are apt to respond with projection, i.e., we react as if he were trying to make us feel inferior, as if we were the target. Hostility is then an understandable consequence. It looks to me so far as if conscious awareness tends to fend off this hostility. That is, if you are willing to attempt self-awareness and self-analysis of your own counter-valuing, i.e., of your unconscious fear and hatred of true, good, beautiful, etc., people, you will very likely be less than nasty to them. And I am willing also to extrapolate to the guess that if you can learn to love these qualities in yourself in a less frightened way.

Allied to this dynamic is the awe before the highest, of which Rudolf Otto, has given us the classical description. Putting this together with Eliade's insights into sacralization and desacralization, we become more aware of the universality of the fear of direct confrontation with a God or with the godlike. In some religions death is the inevitable consequence. Most preliterate societies also have places or objects that are taboo because they are too sacred and therefore too dangerous. In my last chapter of my Psychology and Science, I have also given examples mostly from science and medicine of desacralizing and resacralizing and tried to explain the psycho=dynamics of these processes. Mostly it comes down to awe before the highest and best. ( I want to stress that this awe is intrinsic, justified, right, suitable, rather than some sickness or failing to get "cured of.")

But here again my feeling is that this awe and fear need not to be negative alone, something to make us flee or cower. These are also desirable and enjoyable feelings capable of bringing us even to the point of highest ecstasy and rapture. Conscious awareness, insight, and "working through," a la Freud, is the answer here too I think. This is the best path I know to the acceptance of our highest powers, and whatever elements of greatness or goodness or wisdom or talent we may have concealed or evaded.

A helpful sidelight for me has come from trying to understand why peak experiences are ordinarily transient and brief. The answer becomes clearer and clearer. We are just not strong enough to endure more! It is just too shaking and wearing. So often people in such ecstatic moments say, "It's too much," or "I can't stand it," "I could die." And as I get the descriptions, I sometimes feel Yes, they could die. Delirious happiness cannot be borne for long. Our organisms are just too weak to endure hour-long sexual orgasms, for example.

The word "peak experience" is more appropriate than I realized at first. The acute emotion must be climactic and momentary and it must give way to nonecstatic serenity, calmer happiness, and the intrinsic pleasures of clear, contemplative cognition of the highest goods. The climactic emotion cannot endure, but B-cognition can.

Doesn't this help us to understand our Jonah Complex? It is partly a justified fear of being torn apart, of losing control, of being shattered, and disintegrated, even of being killed by the experience. Great emotions after all can in fact overwhelm us. The fear of surrendering to such an experience, a fear which reminds us of all the parallel fears found in sexual frigidity, can be understood better I think through familiarity with the literature of psychodynamics'''' and depth psychology, and of the psychophysiology and medical psychomatics of emotion.

There is still another psychological process that I have run across in my explorations of failure to actualize the self. This evasion of growth can be also set in motion by fear of paranoia. Of course this has been said in more universal ways. Promethean and Faustian legends are found in practically any culture. For instance, the Greeks called it the fear of hubris. It has been called "sinful pride," which is of course a permanent human problem. The person who says to himself, "Yes, I will be a great philosopher and I will rewrite Plato and do it better," must sooner or later be struck dumb by his grandiosity, his arrogance. And especially in his weaker moments, will say to himself, "Who? Me?" and think of it as a crazy fantasy or even fear it as a delusion. He compares his knowledge of his inner private self, with all its weakness, vacillation, and shortcomings, and with the bright, shining, perfect, and faultless image he has of Plato. Then, of course, he'll feel presumptuous and grandiose. (What he doesn't realize is that Plato, introspecting, must have felt just the same way about himself, but went ahead anyway, overriding his doubts about himself.)

For some people this evasion of one's growth, setting low levels of aspiration, the fear of doing what one is capable of doing, voluntary self-crippling, pseudostupidity, mock-humility are in fact defenses against grandiosity, arrogance, sinful pride, hubris. There are people who cannot manage that graceful integration between the humility and the pride which is absolutely necessary for creative work. To invent or create you must have the "arrogance of creativeness" which so many investigators have noticed. But, of course, if you have only the arrogance without the humility, then you are in fact paranoid. You must be aware not only of the godlike possibilities within, but also for the existential human limitations. You must be able simultaneously to laugh at yourself and at all human pretensions. If you can be amused by the worm trying to be a God, then in fact you may be able to go on trying and being arrogant without fearing paranoia or bringing down upon yourself the evil eye. This is a good technique.

May I mention one or more such technique that I saw at its best in Aldous Huxley, who was certainly a great man in the sense I've been discussing, one who was able to accept his talents and use them to the full. He managed it by perpetually marveling at how interesting and fascinating everything was, by wondering like a youngster at how miraculous things are, by saying frequently, "Extraordinary! Extraordinary!" He could look out at the world with wide eyes, with unabashed innocence, awe, and fascination, which is kind of admission of smallness, a form of humility, and then proceed calmly and unafraid to the great tasks he set for himself.

Finally, I refer you to a paper of mine relevant in itself, but also as the first in a possible series. Its title, "The need to know and the fear of knowing," illustrates well what I want to say about each of the intrinsic or ultimate values that I've called Values of Being (B-Values). I am trying to say that these ultimate values, which I think are also the highest needs, or metaneeds, as I call them in Chapter 23, fall, like all basic needs, into the basic Freudian schema of impulse and defense against that impulse. Thus it is certainly demonstrable that we need the truth and love it and seek it. And yet it is just as easy to demonstrate that we are also simultaneously afraid to know the truth.

I predict that we will find a similar dialectic for each oof the intrinsic Values of Being, and I have vaguely thought of doing series of papers on e.g., "The love of beauty and our uneasiness with it." "Our love of the good man and our irritation with him." "Our search for excellence and our tendency to destroy it," etc., etc. Of course, these counter-values are stronger in neurotic people but it looks to me as if all of us must make our peace with these man impulses within ourselves. And my impression so far is that the best way to do this is to transmute envy, jealousy, presentiment, and nastiness into humble admiration, gratitude, appreciation, adoration, and even worship via conscious insight and working through. This is the road to feeling small and weak and unworthy and accepting these feelings instead of needing to protect a spuriously high self-esteem by striking out.
And again I think it is obvious that understanding of this basic existential problem should help us to embrace the B-Values not only in others, but also in ourselves, thereby helping to resolve the Jonah Complex.




So in summary, the Jonah Complex is basically an evasion of growth and fulfilling one's best talents; fear of one's greatness.

?Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.? -- Nelson Mandella

We fear what we glimpse about ourselves in our highest moments (also in our lowest moments).
It is easy to be ambivalent about GREATNESS in ourselves and/or in others, such as exceptionally beautiful people, great creators, geniuses, lucky people, saintly people, and so on. So, we often try to diminish greatness in others (and even in ourselves, as in the ?fear of success?).

What drives these Jonah Complexes?

-- fear of the sense of responsibility that often attends recognizing our own greatness, talents, potentials, etc.

-- fear that an extraordinary life would be out of the ordinary, and hence not acceptable to others (but what is the real value of such acceptance?)

For instance, fear of seeming arrogant, self-centered, etc.

"Arrogance is always counterbalanced by a realistic perception of one?s human limitation - a kind of humility." -Maslow

-- greatness often seems inherently dangerous ? maybe too powerful, too intense, too overwhelming (like looking into the sun).

The Jonah Complex is partly about fear of losing control, annihilation, disintegration (of course, surrendering to one?s own greatness does annihilate one?s previous way of being).

Solving the Jonah complex involves:

-- becoming aware of one?s counter-valuing as a step toward starting to enjoy others? greatness, which can lead to hence becoming more comfortable with one?s own.

-- embracing the B-values [Being-cognition values]: Truth, goodness, beauty, wholeness dichotomy-transcendence, aliveness, uniqueness, perfection, completion, justice, simplicity, richness, effortlessness, playfulness, self-sufficiency.

Which also means not just denying our Jonah complexes (since they are part of us as well), but grasping our positive potentials in spite of our tendency to evade them.




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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4561107 - 08/21/05 12:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

AWESOME read to shed light on this topic! Thank you Skorp for sharing it here.

earlier this evening I caught a Seinfeld episode that touched on the part where others can attempt to contribute to self sabotage.

Jerry was at a tennis match with George and became so enraptured by the "beautiful lines woman" he declared he was going to walk right up to her and ask her for a date.

George said to him, "Your not that kind of guy Jerry. You can't do that." Then Jerry said, "Well, I am going to become that guy who can do that." George said, "You can't. You'll be in a higher league then me then. Will you take me with you?" Jerry said, "No!". :lol:

Unlike Jerry, I'll take my friends with me wherever I go. More then not, they are not ready to leave their old comfort zones. I usually jump at chances for change.

It's weird and disturbing to consider that none of us are living up to our greater potential. When I look back, I see some bailed on opportunities as trade offs for a comfort of sorts. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Changing comfort zones is difficult to do unless you have a lot of support and encouragement through the adjustment.

This post has had me reviewing the people in my life and who are the Georges and who are the cheerleaders.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4561136 - 08/21/05 12:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I do it to myself all the time for sure. I often wonder however, how much I do it beyond my knowledge. Ive often assessed my actions as self defeating and wondered post tense whether or not it was intentional on some level. Lets hope its never that way.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: LittleBen]
    #4561175 - 08/21/05 01:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Did you read the article Skorp posted. It's long but insightful on this topic. It's all good and I especially like to be reminded of how its not always that we are afraid of failure but often afraid of success and the new responsibilities and changes it will bring, like Lunar and Hue mentioned.

Friends and family play an influencing role too and I like how the article touched on that.


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Re: Self Sabotage [Re: LittleBen]
    #4561998 - 08/21/05 10:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ive often assessed my actions as self defeating and wondered post tense whether or not it was intentional on some level. Lets hope its never that way.

Hope won't change the likely reality that your subconscious is a mole. Not a skin defect mole, a spy type double crossing lying conniving type of mole. One that smiles to your face yet stabs you in the back.


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