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Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing (now w/pics)
#4552641 - 08/18/05 05:41 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had a WBS cased with straight verm in a fruiting chamber for 2 weeks now and there's no pins or anything. It just stays chunky and white. I've even dunked it after a week and a half and put more verm on top and it hasn't done anything. Should I just keep waiting?
Here's a link to my grow log for more details: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4503223/an/0/page/0
Edited by Newbie (08/19/05 05:18 PM)
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4552668 - 08/18/05 05:51 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I looked at your grow log, try to not mess with it anymore you could start getting fruits very soon Also is this a 1st grow?
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: OldSpice]
#4552807 - 08/18/05 06:31 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like it to me NewbieShroomie you more than likely retarded the process. "Patience is a virtue" this is a common rule of thumb around these parts bro GL
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4554154 - 08/19/05 12:22 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I guess this was my first real barrier in the process...everything else worked exactly how it was supposed to.
Edited by Newbie (08/19/05 12:22 AM)
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4556031 - 08/19/05 04:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno it doesn't look like it's going to do much of anything...just looks dead. It keeps getting fuzzier with myc but nothing's popping out.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4556043 - 08/19/05 04:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 weeks huh, its probably fixing to erupt
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4556056 - 08/19/05 04:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
hyphae said: Sounds like it to me NewbieShroomie you more than likely retarded the process. "Patience is a virtue" this is a common rule of thumb around these parts bro GL
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: OldSpice]
#4556057 - 08/19/05 04:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope so. What are some signs that it won't do anything tho? Can a cake just die like that? If so, what does a dead cake look like?
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4556064 - 08/19/05 04:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could have overlay but you will still get a few fruits outta it im shure, try to post a pic
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: OldSpice]
#4556118 - 08/19/05 04:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok here are some pics. Some pieces of the cake look like they could be pins but it's just the way the flash lit the area.
 
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4556935 - 08/19/05 09:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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As long as you follow the parameters outlined in my pinning strategy thread you will end up with very nice pinsets if your sterile culture technique isn't flawed that is. GL
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4557442 - 08/20/05 12:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just give it some time. I know how you feel. You just wanna say "Patience is a virtue, that I would gladly TRADE RIGHT NOW FOR SOME F CKING SHROOOOOMS!!!".lol.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: FungusMan]
#4557776 - 08/20/05 02:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this a pin?
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4558298 - 08/20/05 09:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, but it could be a possible contam Your pins will look like small white dots. Just make sure they're getting their 12-16hrs. of light and plenty of fresh air exchanges and that humidity stays high 95% +/- 3%, I also personally like the fridge dunks with my cakes before they go into the fruiting chamber.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4558318 - 08/20/05 09:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm guessing you're using perlite for humidifying the cased substrate. The RH could be a bit high for fruiting. One neat little tip for aiding in a good, healthy pin set is, once those rhizos peek up through the casing layer like that start to slowly drop the temperature in your grow area a couple degrees a day. This will cause evaproration of the casing layer and will promote knotting on the rhizos. A 5-6 degree drop within a couple of days is perfect. You'll start to see some knots and then you can start to increase your air exchange then. No misting of the casing layer at this point. 12 hours of indirect sunlight or a blue spectrum flourescent is key as well...
Edited by hotnutz (08/20/05 09:33 AM)
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: OldSpice]
#4558336 - 08/20/05 09:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alounacara said:
2 weeks huh, its probably fixing to erupt
I know that after 2 weeks that I'm fixin to ERUPT!~
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Roadkill]
#4559869 - 08/20/05 04:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't really control the temp in my room. No AC or anything and I've been using the water bottles to drop the temp, but I wake up the next day and it's warmer again. I dunno if it's a contam...it hasn't spread to far at all, it's pretty much been the same size for the last 2-3 days.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Hotnuts]
#4560045 - 08/20/05 05:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dropping your temp 10 degrees or so quickly from incubating to fruiting is a very helpful trigger. There is really no sense in doing it slowly as that just voids the usefulness of this pinning trigger.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4561670 - 08/21/05 01:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The other day I finally decided to put a frozen water bottle in and it dropped from 86 to 73, but I'm havng trouble maintaining that.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4563067 - 08/21/05 02:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now my perlite is soaking wet and I still have dry looking cakes with no pins. I hate to say it but I don't think I'm getting a single mushroom on my first grow
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#4563138 - 08/21/05 03:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: ]
#4563270 - 08/21/05 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The water used in perlite humidification should be maintained at half the depth of the perlite. Go ahead and lightly mist above your cakes so the mist gently falls on them just like nature GL
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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4563584 - 08/21/05 05:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will do.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4563610 - 08/21/05 05:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The top of one of the cakes is looking a little blue. Hopefully just a little bruising. The casing looks...old. That's the only way I can really describe it.,
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4563703 - 08/21/05 05:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bluing of the cakes can very often be a result of being too dry also. Myc thrives in a nearly saturated environment FYI.
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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4564535 - 08/21/05 09:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
NewbieShroomie said: The other day I finally decided to put a frozen water bottle in and it dropped from 86 to 73, but I'm havng trouble maintaining that.
Get two water bottles. Keep one in the freezer at all times and the other in the fruiting chamber. Rotate them every time you fan, or like two or three times a day. Should keep it fairly maintained.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: CLUTCH]
#4565509 - 08/22/05 12:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what I have been doing for about a week now. Granted I haven't been completely consistent but I have been trying to keep the temps under 80 as much as possible.
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4565611 - 08/22/05 01:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know why I'm having so much trouble with this, I figured the cakes would do SOMETHING, but I guess I have a hell of a lot more to learn. Let's hope I can get my last invitro jar to work. lol you know I'm REALLY bad at growing things if I can't even get that one to work 
Is there anything else I can do to save these? I'd hate to just chuck em. The casing looks gray, almost like the myc have shrunk and got hard. Doesn't looks contaminated, just...old. Same with the cakes, it looks crispy rather than soft, which I don't understand because there should have been PLENTY of moisture between my misting and saturated perlite. I wanna try a "well"...I saw it in a grow log. I apologize, I can't remember whose but it looks like a good idea for my situation. Any help is greatly appreciated as I don't want to be the only one without a successful 1st grow
Edited by Newbie (08/22/05 02:03 AM)
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4566028 - 08/22/05 09:06 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like it's been said you do not want saturated perlite #1. #2 Your cakes need high RH 95%+ to flourish, is your FC (fruiting chamber) sealed well to hold in humidity between mistings? #3 several light misting are better than one heavy misting always. Like I said go ahead and mist thous cakes several times a day until you notice pins developing. You may have to drain water out of your perlite every few days also. Another wise tek is the dunk and roll/double ending. Proper water delivery is one of the "moist" important things one can learn here Again GL
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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: hyphae]
#4566099 - 08/22/05 09:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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IT's such a bitch draining the perlite. I gotta turn the whole aquarium on it's side and it gets all messy :P.
I have a shower curtain (plastic) covering it...it's not airtight but it hugs the sides pretty well.
It's confusing because some days after misting it will stay damp on the sides of the aquarium, and other days it just dries up.
Edited by Newbie (08/22/05 09:48 AM)
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Re: Cased for 2 weeks, still nothing. [Re: Newbie]
#4566319 - 08/22/05 11:42 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pick up a turkey baster there under $2 or so anyways. The moisture on the sides is no reflection of the RH inside the FC it is only condensation resulting from temperature differences between the inside and outside of the FC. Try saran, plexiglas or a pane of glass. Sounds to me your drier than you want to be. GL
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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