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Spiritual repercussions of the EU (European Union)
    #454817 - 11/11/01 11:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Spiritual repercussions of the EU (European Union) [Re: World Spirit]
    #454896 - 11/11/01 01:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I myself live in holland, and I find it very unplesant how they act recently. They all agree with the, to me obviously totally wrong, way of handling problems in the way america does and even anticipate in them. You also see that in the population the number of people against the war going on currently is rising, while the goverments countries support it much more.
I just cant stand it, especially with holland. They more and more want to be in line with the rest of the leading countrys of the EU and for that they make many wrong choises.
I hope it will change soon.
But I believe im more talking political now, dont know if its what you want to hear.



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    #455102 - 11/11/01 06:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Here in America, we rarely hear about anything of importance. Celebrities lives and fashion dominate the television instead of political information, unless you're watching C-span or a related channel. Personally, I'm wary about the whole European Union ideal of /unification/, of course, I'm wary of all globlization efforts simply because they're so transparently efforts for unchecked control over market influence and thusly consumers. The fact that the European Union even has its own standardized currency seems to solidify in my mind that it is geared towards producing a non-governmental entity with influence over governments (and thusly, over people) through the guise benevolently 'alleviating the need for governments to worry about individual market forces'. It seems like the same tendency that has been growing in the United States to simply create an authoritarian corporate aristocracy veiled as 'simple business men and women'. A tendency that is attempting to unify the world under it's control.

What this tendency really seems to be is an attempt to create a 'new' way to control the 'rabble'. For thousands of years, it has been the peasant masses and the governmental aristocracy, a kind of identifiable dichotomy. But with the addition of a strictly economic aristocracy (splitting the role of government up essentially from is governmental-aristocracy role into Government AND Aristocracy as two seperate elements), the mental repercussions seem to be confusion in the masses. Suddenly, the equation becomes 50% more complicated, we have the addition of a third factor that controls government from behind the 'glass curtain'. Now we don't know who to hold accountable for what is going on in our lives. When things get fucked up, do we really blame government? Are they really accountable for what's going on any more? They're not making the real decisions behind policy (they're just the monkies hired to push the right buttons when told), but they're our, the people's, only link as to what's going on. We're adding another level of control onto our lives, one that if allowed to spread, will make our lives more complicated - less controllable. Corporate Globalization in any form represents a new level of control over people. Government controls people as 'the governed'. Corporate Control Structures will and do control the people as 'consumers'. We're constantly being reduced away from the state of being 'humans' and relegated to generalized titles more akin with 'cattle', 'herd' or 'flock'. And the more we're controled, the more confined (or perhaps we should use the knew catch words for taking away liberty: Refinement of Civili Rights; your rights arn't being taken away, they're just being refined for the times) our 'rights' will become. I suppose that is a spiritual ramification, simply because the borders of what is and is not 'spritual' are fairly hazy lines at best.

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Re: Spiritual repercussions of the EU (European Union) [Re: Ishmael]
    #456023 - 11/12/01 03:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The EU is in danger of becoming another USA, and is another step in the globalisation of the world, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I will try to outline a few thoughts I have had which are contrary to those of most people I know.

If I ever write a paper about it it would have been called
"Achieving Spiritual Evolution through Political Globalisation"
or "God is a Machiavellian" :)

Globalisation might not be bad in the long term. Negative effects aside, it *might* cause us not create artificial borders around us. This obviously won't happen very soon, but I am talking about the far future. Your grandchildren's grandchildren might not have grandchildren that will see it.
This "dissolution of borders" that our beloved McKenna talked about might be a result of this ugly monster called globalisation.
You will of course argue that it will create bigger differences between the rich and poor, and other classes, but I believe that for something good to spring forth, it has to go through a process of increasing negativity first.

As I think Shroomerism would have put it, to go from the 1st to the 3rd overtone, one has to pass through the negative 2cnd overtone (may not be accurate, but anyhow.)
Or lets look at the human race as part of the gaian mind as a dissipative structure. Dissipative structures are in a state far from thermodynamic equilibrium, yet they are the most stable of them all because of their flexibility. Imagine a straight line upwards. This would be the perfect equilibrium, but as nature goes, it is not fond of such linearity or simplicity. So it throws in a few billion variables and start off. As we see the process continue it strays from the straight path, but lo and behold, it returns, passes through to the other side, and returns yet again. It is a pendulum. Never resting in one place of ??good?? or ??bad?? at one time, but passing through them on its eternal cyclical journey.

Many times I have seen posted that the [psychedelic] trips one learns the most from, the ones that give you the most potential for growth are the ones where you end up in a corner on the floor in a foetal position. It might be necessary for us to go through a phase of increasing negativity in order to teach us a lesson.
??But this is not fair, I know what is good and bad! I don??t want to!?? I hear you say, however you are a part of this whole thing, and there is a reason for you to be in it too ??

The thing I think we might learn from this whole globalisation thing is that we are one. Not only as a race, but one with all. Parents will teach their children what is wrong and right by slapping their fingers when they behave badly. This is what will happen to us. It might seem unfair, but in the end, when we grow up, we see that mother meant well, and we are thankful for the lessons.

I don??t feel that I said very much about why globalisation in particular will be good for this (not the EU either, but "digress" is my middle name), but I think there is a potential that when we all live in a 1984-world and the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way again, we will come out of it with a never before seen unity. This is what will help us evolve as a species, and help us prefer for the next time the pendulum again swings back and proposes new difficult times.

Iv'e written one A4 page so I think it will be time to stop. Anyway, maybe I will elaborate on this, if you are interested come to www.theophagy.org sometime in the future and it might be up.

Oh boy do we live in interesting times. The Chinese knew a curse when they saw one!


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Re: Spiritual repercussions of the EU (European Union) [Re: Ishmael]
    #456034 - 11/12/01 03:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, forgot to mention that our new aren't free from the usual celebrity crap either. Haven't seen any american new though (except cnn). However, 60 minutes which is supposed to be the pinnacle of that kind of programs seems to me to be a joke. I am convinced their interviews are manipulated to hell and back. Did you ever see the interviewer and the interviewee (just had to use that word :) on the screen at the same time?

The television here in Norway are as centered on international news as I suspect the US are. I like German television though. As for the papers, I don't read them. That speaks for itself, doesn't it? I pick up the occasional weekly german magazine though, like Der Spegel or Focus.
But I digress, again... :)


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