Home | Community | Message Board


Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Mushroom Hunting and Identification

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Original Seeds Store Shop: Buy CBD, Cannabis Seeds, Compare CBD

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Request for pictures: Panaeolus species
    #4545589 - 08/17/05 05:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was searching the web lately for pictures of various Panaeolus species: Sphinctrinus, Campanulatus, Papilionaceus, Ater, Fimicola, Acuminatus, Retirugis, Rickenii.
It turns out that this genus is causing a great confusion, and different online sources carry conflicting information, with some listing distinct species as synonyms, confusing some species with another, etc.

If some of you has positively and certainly identified any of the above species (other species are welcome too) and have good pictures of them, could please post them to this thread?

Thanks!


--------------------
strl is the reverse lrts


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCptnGarden
fuck this site
Registered: 05/13/04
Posts: 11,945
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: strl]
    #4545661 - 08/17/05 05:53 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

different online sources carry conflicting information




thats why you should be using the shroomery search function instead of google. please take a look around this site more. theres plenty of picture galleries with plenty of mushrooms.

also if you find your way to mushroom johns site, im sure that would help you immensely.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4545752 - 08/17/05 07:39 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I gave your suggestions a try.
From the above species, only Sphinctrinus is listed on Mushroom John's site. Searching the Shroomery for the same species returns this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...amp;btnG=Search

Searching for other Panaeolus species returns even less hits.

Of course I could search the forums, but this would take a looooong time...

Seems that I am completely out of luck here.


Edited by strl (08/17/05 07:45 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineivi
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 9,083
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: strl]
    #4545765 - 08/17/05 07:52 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Search Posts. As far as I know about the dung loving Panaeoli, especially P. campanulatus, P. papilionaceus and P. sphinctrinus, even the experts cannot agree on the exact differences between them, so you will often see the same mushroom identified differently on different sites. Most people refer to them simply as belonging to Panaeolus campanulatus group.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: ivi]
    #4545769 - 08/17/05 07:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks.. this confirms what I was afraid of. I guess I'll have to order some recent papers if there are any in print.


--------------------
strl is the reverse lrts


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCptnGarden
fuck this site
Registered: 05/13/04
Posts: 11,945
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: strl]
    #4546383 - 08/17/05 01:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

none of those are actives or edibles so what would it matter?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4547416 - 08/17/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Good question, but I feel like letting the answer as an exercise to the readers.


--------------------
strl is the reverse lrts


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineLysergic_Milkman
Dr. Fist
Male

Registered: 10/21/04
Posts: 1,676
Loc: ATL
Last seen: 5 months, 30 days
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: strl]
    #4548222 - 08/17/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

A few of those species are not even worth pic searching for. And you'll be hard pressed to find one.
I would recommend a book, thats your best bet.

Try "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World" by Paul Staments.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4549163 - 08/17/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks, I've got the book and I love it. I'm trying to find more info about this genus because I find some of them where I live, and get really perplexed when trying to ID them to species. Oh well, fall is almost here, there will be plenty of other ones to look at :smile:


--------------------
strl is the reverse lrts


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewallace
Male

Registered: 07/25/04
Posts: 191
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 9 months, 15 days
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: strl]
    #4550433 - 08/18/05 05:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

P. papilionaceus is called the "laughing mushroom" in Japan so some of that group must be at least weakly active, at least on this side of the pond.


--------------------
Wallace


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineivi
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 9,083
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: wallace]
    #4550450 - 08/18/05 05:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The Japanese name for Panaeolus papilionaceus was Waraitake, right? It has not been confirmed that it contains any psychoactive indole alkaloids though.

I think I read somewhere about a Japanese folktale about Waraitake in which a group of Buddhist nuns and priests accidentally ate a patch of it, and started uncontrollably laughing and dancing around the town. But, really, I'd rather choose to believe in high-performance liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry :tongue2:

The Big/Great Laughing Mushroom (Gymnopilus spectabilis, was it Owaraitake in Japanese?), on the other hand, is a whole different story :smile:


--------------------


Edited by ivi (08/18/05 05:42 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinestrl
-
Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: The Balkans
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: ivi]
    #4550664 - 08/18/05 08:02 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you all for your replies!

It seems I have found a good source of information:

Gerhardt, Ewald: Taxonomische Revision der Gattungen Panaeolus und Panaeolina (1996)

available in some online stores. Of course I'll have to refresh my German, but this can never hurt.


--------------------
strl is the reverse lrts


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblemjshroomer
Sage
Registered: 07/22/99
Posts: 13,774
Loc: gone with my shrooms
Re: Request for pictures: Panaeolus species [Re: wallace]
    #4551416 - 08/18/05 01:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The P. papilionaceus of japan in the original line drawings are more or less panaeolus subbalteatus. The only allt he time active panaeolus is panaeolus subbalteatus. That is the most commn panaeolus inthe world.

Copelandia's are a separate species, yet Europeans list thme a s panaeolus shrooms. Theya re realy copelandia mushrooms.

P. sphinctrinus and P. campanulatus are not psychoactive. Although you may read that they are.

mj

As noted above, read the Shroomery's ultimate shroom guide. It has urls to 2500 Psilocybine mushroom images covering 56 species of the almost more than 200 known psilocybian mushroom species.

mj


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

Original Seeds Store Shop: Buy CBD, Cannabis Seeds, Compare CBD

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Mushroom Hunting and Identification

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* ID Help Requested (Pictures Included). Manannan 721 4 11/18/04 05:08 PM
by shroomydan
* ID request (pictures and description) tinyclanger 1,541 12 08/07/06 02:15 PM
by tinyclanger
* ID request? (pictures) JAYB33 791 6 11/18/08 12:33 AM
by JAYB33
* . *DELETED* *DELETED* wisp 1,363 19 10/15/08 05:40 AM
by wisp
* ID Request for 7 Species picked in New Zealand TMMS 1,839 9 06/23/08 09:56 PM
by TMMS
* ID Request, Pictures & Description. smaerd 1,031 9 10/22/08 01:22 AM
by Agent 47
* ID request Fuzzy Chaos 1,453 10 06/28/09 08:35 PM
by Hippalotamos
* ID Request: Found a few new species in my area critterdude 693 4 07/15/08 05:06 PM
by georgeM

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: ToxicMan, karode13, inski, Alan Rockefeller, TimmiT, Joust, Tmethyl, Fennario
1,163 topic views. 4 members, 42 guests and 9 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Myco Supply
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.038 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 19 queries.