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Identify Good and Evil
    #4535531 - 08/14/05 11:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Please tell me what each of you think Good and Evil is if you believe in such a thing.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535548 - 08/14/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

good- reciprocal altruism. "increasing connectivity"
evil- selfishness. "aspiring to control connectivity"

this is my belief in terms of any entity, be it humanity, or an animal. It takes various forms, but it always comes down to this.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: AvatarofAtavism]
    #4535594 - 08/14/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I like that... it makes sense


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535630 - 08/14/05 11:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Good is what I like. Evil is what I don't like.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535683 - 08/14/05 11:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

that could mean that you are your own god in a sense :smirk:


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535721 - 08/14/05 11:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Evil is live spelled backwards. To me evil is only that which takes away from life or runs it backwards.


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (08/14/05 11:43 PM)


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4535747 - 08/14/05 11:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

this is very true, I think that description makes sense also


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535772 - 08/14/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

They are opinions of the tools we use to get to our goals.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Ravus]
    #4535777 - 08/14/05 11:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That would be the logical response to such a question


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535785 - 08/14/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Not really...what it means is that they are self defined terms with no objective reality. Many missionaries see primitive people who practice anamistic religions as dwelling in darkness and wanting to be civilized and turned from living in sin. This is an example of how good and evil are defined by the individual.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535805 - 08/14/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I belive there is an actual good and evil in this world.
it would be hard to explain this, but basicly to me, good is logic and emotion in balance... while evil would be be logic or emotion out of balance.

Hitler is a fine example, too much logic

Let me show a poem I wrote, it explains things a bit better.

Hell does exist?
It is when everything that makes us human, is taken away.
When there is neither reason to live, nor reason do die.
When emotions become a tool of logic.
When pain and pleasure are primal substitutes for moral right and wrong.
When life and death become mere factors of existence, and are equally acceptable.
When love can be explained through a complicated network of emotions and logic.
When sex is just an essential means of survival for every single species.
When dreams are only leftover prominent thoughts of an idle mind.
When a belief in a god is a means of coping with the un-comprehendible universe.
Hell is when a person loses the will to fight for what is humanly ?right??
But most of all? hell is when all of this is neither good nor bad? but just... logical?
And for those of you who can relate? welcome to hell? get out while you still can.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535865 - 08/15/05 12:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

"Hitler is a fine example, too much logic"

Hitler had no logic. He executed some of the most productive members of their society to liquidate their assets for a temporary budget fix, and discredited Einstein's theories as "Jewish physics". He possessed some of the best scientists in the world, but rejected ideas that were not party friendly...what an idiot. Choose another example.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535892 - 08/15/05 12:12 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

If you would prefer other examples.
Charles Darwin
Karl Marx
And the people who ran germany


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535895 - 08/15/05 12:12 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with this. Hitler was not logical and yet thought himself so. It is quite easy to fool oneself when you become fixated on one mode being and ignore other experience.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535901 - 08/15/05 12:14 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't say he had no logic, but he definitely was extremely illogical and insane. The ridding of the Jews wasn't illogical; stupid maybe, but it was consistent with his philosophy and the logic of the Nazi government of the time. The true illogical nature of Hitler is shown in how many enemies he thought the Axis could take on; he basically had all his neighbors, all the superpowers of the world and then some other countries against him, Italy and Japan. They did a good job seeing the circumstances, but his ambition bordered on insanity.

If he had been a bit less ambitious, he may have paradoxically gone much further.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4535909 - 08/15/05 12:15 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Charles Darwin had too much logic? He was just a simple scientist.

And you can't really have too much logic. If you have "too much logic", then chances are the excess isn't really logic at all.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Ravus]
    #4535920 - 08/15/05 12:17 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, but his policy was self defeating from the beginning, and just because it was the logic of the party did not mean that is was deductively valid.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Ravus]
    #4535939 - 08/15/05 12:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that there is no such thing as too much logic, but there is too much logic for that time. Many people who discover these things are very logical and a hand full of them have put their emotions aside, filling that void in them with logic (or as I like to think of it, the devil). Some things are just too much power for humans to be trying to discover too early, example, AI. In a sense, its important that our spirituality evolves with our logic, in balance.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4535950 - 08/15/05 12:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That is true, but what is logic? What is thought of as truth can change drastically from one generation to the next, and logic is based on truth. If an entire nation holds something to be true, about the Jews for example, then their logic would be based on the truth to them, and maybe even valid through their experiences with the Jews as greedy bankers or immoral immigrants just trying to breed with white women.


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Re: Identify Good and Evil [Re: Ravus]
    #4535962 - 08/15/05 12:26 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That is true, but christianity, although I have no religion, holds some good ideas to increase productivity in the world, much like communism. Morals which mankind can live togeather with their emotions, but it takes work, work which people do not like.


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