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Offlineblueboomers
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this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW
    #4534126 - 08/14/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, my colonization took well over 35 days, which is more than normal, and now they've been in the fruiting chamber for a good fuckin 12 days. What should i do, they wont fruit!! I know the temps have to be like 74, but mine are close to 77 - 80, is that going to make much of a difference?? I am getting so fuckin pissed,  I fan 3 times a day, rH is at about 98-100% I dont know what is going on...

Is there any possibility that if i cased them in peat moss/verm that they would fruit easier? I only have 2 cakes, so thats good for one casing, I royally fucked up my first grow but I would like to get at least ONE print so I could do a second. please please help  :confused:


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4534130 - 08/14/05 04:28 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Are you giving them light?


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4534142 - 08/14/05 04:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, you might be fanning them a little much. Usually, fanning them once a day is fine, and also keeps the moisture in.
What strain are you growing by the way?
If it's B+ that should be alright for temps.
I suppose you could case them, but that might be hard if you can't get the first method to work.
The colonization time is absurd. Are you sure you followed the Tek exactly?
This is the most common reason for boomers not growing.
(Not following the tek exactly)

Do you have any pictures of your set-up so we might be able to find the problem should it lie there?


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Jabberw0cky]
    #4534170 - 08/14/05 04:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i give them 12/12 light, motaman
and i'm growing golden teachers Jabberw0cky

sorry no pictures, but i only have two cakes, using perlite, temp is at 78 right now, i fan between 2-3 times a day, sometimes 4

do you think casing would be a bad idea at this point? would it help them fruit easier and/or faster?


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4534192 - 08/14/05 04:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That's a little too hot for fruiting.
Try freezing a water bottle after washing the outside of it off with alcohol. Makes sure the alc is completely dry before placing in the fruiting chamber.
This should be sufficient for temperatures.
You could also try shocking them by putting them in the fridge for a couple hours. It might have something to do with not following the tek in my personal opinion. I've never heard of myc taking that long to colonize unless you are using a large jar. But as for the fruiting... I dunno what to tell you dude. But, if you need to start over, you can extract some of the myc from your casing and put it into properly mixed jars which should take a lot less time if you follow the Tek exactly. But then again there is variations in time... So I dunno. It's your choice. You can try casing if you so desire, but I don't see how that's going to fix the problem as casing just adds more variables and more chance of error.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Jabberw0cky]
    #4534272 - 08/14/05 05:03 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i feel your pain!

try to have patience i guess

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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4534285 - 08/14/05 05:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Is there any chance you used too much BRF? It is my experience that mushrooms don't fruit unless they have too. If it has plenty of nutrients to continue growing mycelium, it will. I would try dropping the temperature. this should simulate an end to growing temperatures and force fruiting.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Billy1111]
    #4534289 - 08/14/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Did you dunk?

Cakes could be dry and it could be slowing fruting. Thats if you didnt dunk.

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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: ChickenNugget]
    #4534297 - 08/14/05 05:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Have the cakes become fuzzy since you birthed them or are they looking the same as when they were birthed?
Your fanning is good, a little more would even be good. 1-3 exchanges per hour is great. I don't think this is part of the problem though.
If after two weeks you don't see any pinning then you need to be upset. Some cakes have taken that long for me before, which was due to lack of moisture in the cakes I believe.
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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: backupwards]
    #4534426 - 08/14/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Jabberw0ckey - i've been putting ice cubes in ziplocks baggies, daily
Shaw - 2 parts Verm 1 part BRF 1 part water
ChickenNugget - dunked for 24 hours prior to birth
Backupwards - yes they are fuzzy

recently from a friend of mine, told me to coat the outside with wet vermiculite, and to NOT fan until i see pinset, then 3 times a day, once i see pinning.
What do you think about that?

Oh yea and JabberW0cky what is your tek for extracting the mycelium from the BRF cakes and putting them into a new cake i would like to know that, i would like to get started with a second grow but i have no prints or syringes, thats why i NEED these to fruit, because i can't order anymore at the time, no cash.

thanks all, appreciate the help


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4534605 - 08/14/05 06:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I am no expert, but I didnt notice anybody go back to the source. Maybe the spore syringe that bluebloomers ordered was totally defunked. Just throwing it out there. You can combat that if you want. No clue. :smile:


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: backupwards]
    #4534616 - 08/14/05 06:56 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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backupwards said:
Have the cakes become fuzzy since you birthed them or are they looking the same as when they were birthed?
Your fanning is good, a little more would even be good.<b> 1-3 exchanges per hour is great</b>. I don't think this is part of the problem though.
If after two weeks you don't see any pinning then you need to be upset. Some cakes have taken that long for me before, which was due to lack of moisture in the cakes I believe.
peace




If you did it that often, how on earth would maintain humidity?


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Jabberw0cky]
    #4534798 - 08/14/05 07:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay, you might be fanning them a little much. Usually, fanning them once a day is fine, and also keeps the moisture in




thats garbage, optimal FAE is 1-3 per HOUR. I fanned my cakes up to 10 times a day and was rewarded greatly for my efforts. More FAE = better pinsets = faster growth = nicer shrooms.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Jabberw0cky]
    #4536529 - 08/15/05 02:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jabberw0cky said:
Quote:

backupwards said:
Have the cakes become fuzzy since you birthed them or are they looking the same as when they were birthed?
Your fanning is good, a little more would even be good.<b> 1-3 exchanges per hour is great</b>. I don't think this is part of the problem though.
If after two weeks you don't see any pinning then you need to be upset. Some cakes have taken that long for me before, which was due to lack of moisture in the cakes I believe.
peace




If you did it that often, how on earth would maintain humidity?




Any way you can. Fanning is NEEDED ABSOLUTLY. 2-3 times, a day, THE MORE THE BETTER, 2-3 an hour is optimal for cubensis.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: blueboomers]
    #4536704 - 08/15/05 03:59 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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and to NOT fan until i see pinset




Do not follow this advice.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: Jabberw0cky]
    #4536881 - 08/15/05 06:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Jabberw0cky said:

If you did it that often, how on earth would maintain humidity?




Wet perlite in a small fruiting chamber doesn't take long to bring the RH up to the range needed. Haven't you done this before?


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: FooMan]
    #4539701 - 08/15/05 09:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i read in one of jabberwockys earlier posts that when you fan you drop RH which "shocks" the myc. I dont know where he got that from, i see it as total BS.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: FooMan]
    #4539762 - 08/15/05 10:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

FooManShroom said:
Quote:

Jabberw0cky said:

If you did it that often, how on earth would maintain humidity?




Wet perlite in a small fruiting chamber doesn't take long to bring the RH up to the range needed. Haven't you done this before?




apparently he hasn't and i'll bet that his flushes show it.not being a dick here but bad that is bad advice.
as stated the perlite will bring the rh back up very quickly along with a nice misting before and after each fanning. after the pins are set and during their maturation just mist from a distance (between 1' and2'), letting the fine mist fall gently down over the entire chamber. don't directly spray.

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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: coda]
    #4539772 - 08/15/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I dunno about that actually. When I want casings to pin nice and even, the best way I've found is not to decrease temps more (cold shock), but to increase air exchange and drop humidity in the casing layer. A moist casing layer causes veg growth to continue..a dry casing layer will halt growth, shocking it from the all of a sudden poor humidity and causing it to stop growing veg growth so healthy. Then after 2 12 hour periods of this open air sitting, with 12 hours in between..the casings remain in the fruiting chamber, the casing layer is misted and kept up, and then 90ish% humidity maintained for primordia formation. Much like a cold shock, but humidity shock..and I've found it to work.


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Re: this is seriously bullshit.... i want to case, and i want shrooms NOW [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4540741 - 08/16/05 02:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

your trying to hard , just chill


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