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Any classical music fans out there?
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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone out there has a love for classical music and if so I'd be in your debt if you could share with me some of your favorite works.

Thanks... The man in the mirror

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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Classical music really varies, depending on whether you are talking about baroque, romantic, etc. I think 20th century composers are the best. Rachmaninov is at the top of my list, check out his piano concertos particularly Variations on a theme by Paginini... it blows me away.

Also: Holst (The planets suite), Dvorak (New World Symphony), Stravinsky, Shostakovich.

Of course I have particular taste, so this might not do it for you.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: gluke bastid]
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Sweet, thanks I'll look into those.
I'd say I like most anything that isin't military sounding. but I do like solo instrument pieces more so then say, symphonys. I was wondering though if you knew of any good violin pieces, something that's I guess you could say romantic or just soothing to the soul.

Thanks... The man made of clay

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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Theres this bloke called dimitri str...........? who used to be able to compose music in his head as he was just walking down the street or something, he had all the notes memorised in his head and basically didnt need instruments to practise

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: missulena]
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Yeah I do that sometimes too but I guess I'm just too lazy to keep it up for long =)

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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I'm a big fan of Wagner, but most classical music fans don't agree. If you're not familiar with Wagner, he wrote "Ride Of The Valkaries". That was the piece that Col. Kilgor played in the helicopters as they invaded the beach in "Appocalypse Now".

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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Man, I love calssical! As for favorites....hmmmm, where to start! There is so much good stuff out there.

You cant go wrong with almost anything by Beethoven. His 9th and 5th symphonies are two of the most recognizable pieces of classical music, and probably two of the best.

Also Mozart. Almost nothing bad in his entire works.

And try Bach. Particularly the "Brandenburg Concertos" and a great piece called "Toccata and Fugue"

Also try "Bollero" (by Ravel, I think) and "Rhapsody in Blue" (I forget his name at the moment). And also "The Planets" by Gustav Holst are fantastic!!

Also try some Tchaikovsky, his popular stuff like "The Nutcracker Suite" or the "1812 Overture". And there is a neat piece by Carl Orff called "Carmina Burana".

Thats just a few off the top of my head that stand out. But don't be afraid to experimet with almost anything classical. Theres nothing quite like it!


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: superpimp]
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yeah pimp, wagner is good shit. I wouldn't call him soothing though. ;)

Soothing violin pieces... Violin concertos by mozart and beethoven come to mind. That new world symphony by Dvorak I mentioned earlier has some parts that are soooooo mellow, but not strictly violin. Once again I recommend it.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: gluke bastid]
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damn thats plenty to look into for now :) thanks all for all your imput I apreciate it.

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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I'm a big classical music fan, my uncle got me into it when i was little and its always stuck. My favorite all time composer is JS Bach, i also like Sibelius, Mendelssohn, Beethoven, Handel, and Mozart of course.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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Today i bought Beethovens Sonatas on Vinyl, its got the moonlight sonata, pathetique sonata, and Appassionata Sonata.
I'm listening to it right now, its really good.



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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: Chonger]
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A while ago I burned a mix cd of classical music.
"Clasiqual"
1. Beetoven- Moonlight Sonata, 3rd Movement
2. Stravinsky- The Firebird Suite
3. Stravinsky- The Rite of Spring- Sacrifical Dance (The Chosen One)
4. Vivaldi- Autumn
5. Vivaldi- Winter
6. Vivaldi- Spring
7. Vivaldi- Summer
8. Ravel- Bolero
9. Debussy- Arabesque
10.Debussy- Claire De Lune
11.Bach- Toccata and Fugue in D-minor


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: gluke bastid]
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this is my first time here, could anybody tells me how to operate this puzzle

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: gluke bastid]
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as this is my first time here, i am trying to understand the system
Russian composers are clearly amongst my favorites

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: jorgil]
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"dimitri str..........."

Shostikovich?


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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good post! I have nothing to recommend because I don't have any classical music, accept a accoustic guitar cd with bach compositions wich is pretty nice.

I'm keeping my eye open for recommendations, I want some more classical in my collection :thumbup:

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: stefan]
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Bach is the fuckin man.

listen to "Passacaglia & Fugue in C minor BWV 582"
"Fantasia And Fugue BWV 561"
"Tocatta And Fugue BWV 565"
"Partite Diverse Sopra Ach, Was Soll Ich S?nder Machen BWV 770"
and well, any other organ composition by him

his music is very mathematical and awe-inspiring, i remember listening to his organ songs on acid and its wicked,tonnes of patterns.
try the "goldberg variations" too, and the "well-tempered clavier" books 1 and 2

Also for my more light-hearted listening try Robert Schumann, he has a collection of short simple piano songs called "scenes from childhood" which is really great,his ability to capture subtle feelings and emotions is nice


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ricochet]
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Check out

Hector Berlioz-"Symphonie Fantastique". Very "psychedelic" for classical music.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ricochet] * 1
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"will have to agree that contemporary classical artists tend to hold my attention and are/were more innovative than the "classics"."

I love when people claim to know classical music and then display complete ignorance of music history by claiming that certain composers aren't innovative.

Not true at all.  There were contemporaries of Bach doing fugues where each voice was in a different key.

Also, innovation must be compared against the norm of the time.  Take the stylistic change between Mozart and Beethoven.  Beethoven has a symphony, in F, where he opens with a long C dominant 7 chord.

When he put that out, people were scandalized.  They went :whoa: you can't do that.  This Beethoven guy must be crazy and not know music theory.  Then, everyone copied him.  So what happens 200 years later is that a hugely innovative artist sounds like everyone else.  But this doesn't mean that he wasn't innovative, rather his innovation was so successful that everyone copied it. 

To follow innovation through the historical trend, it goes like this.

Gregorian chant.

From gregorian chant, innovaters came along and added polyphonic writing, modal shadings, and counterpoint techniques to make renisance music.  Palestrina comes to mind.

In this rennisance counterpoint, which was a modal system, certain combinations attracted the ear of a new generation of composers.  These composers extracted certain progressions from the r counterpoint, and added sequence (repeating a motive as it goes up or down a scale), and created a new style.  This new style today sounds unoriginal, but coming from the r counterpoint scene, it represented a huge break from tradition.  Although not the first to write in this style, Bach was the pinnicle of this movement.

The next big innovation was the symphony orchestra, and better pianos.  With these technical innovations by instrument makers and music organizers, new musical forms (sonata form) were developed to harness these new resources.  These composers kept the harmonic system of the baroque composers, but extended it.  Instead of having chords go I-V-I or whatever, they had entire sections do it.  These sectional harmonies were often quite extended and complex.  New ideas about texture also influenced this new style.  Mozart, Hayden, and Beethoven are the big names of this era.  Beethoven and Mozart were hugely innovative.  Beethoven in particular, when he wrote music, no one had written music that sounded like his.  Look at symphony number 3.  In the first movement, early on, there is one place where the music veers off and lands on a wrong chord.  10 minutes or so later, this chord is returned to and forms the basis for an entire section.  This was completely revolutionary for its time.

After Beethoven, we have the romanticists.  The formal, long range harmony developed during the classical era became a subject for experimentation.  Unusual key relationships were used (Chopin, for example, often went from minor to major to minor again or visa versa, eg. fantasy impromptu or prelude in Db).  Virtuosity became an art form in it's own right (Liszt), and harmonies were extended and innovated upon.  Later in this era, Wagner pushed the use of abnormal keys to a new level with his music, especially the overture for tristan und isolde.  Harmony was completely turned on it's head.  All sense of a tonal center was nearly lost. 

Harmonically, the change works like this.  In the renasance (If I spell it different every time I'll get it right once), the focus was on suspensions of a certain sort and C-B-C type melodic progressions.  In the baroque, it started to switch to chords, D major-G major-A major, for example.  In the classical era, these harmonies started to form the basis for sections instead of chords.  Instead of DMajor-A major, you might have:

D major - G minor - A sus 4 - A 7 - B minor - A 7 (65) D major, forming a section in D, then a transition - B minor - E minor F# minor - B 7 - E - E7, leading to a section in A, A major - F# minor, B minor - E 7.  Then a transition that lands on V of the first key - A major - B minor, D major - E major - F# minor - D 7 - G major - A 7.  This would form the basis of the first section of a sonata, then you would have a developmental section starting in the original key briefly, then going off to a bunch of different keys, but not I or V, while developing melodic ideas and themes using sequence and other techniqes.  Then, the development section would land on V in what is usually the climax of the piece.  This is usually quite long, and where a lot of the long term tension comes to a head.  Then there would be a recapitulation, starting in I (D) again and repeated, maybe a varied repeat.  Then in the transition, instead of landing on V/V (e7 above) it would land on V (A-7).  The material that was in the dominant key during the first section would be repeated, transposed to the tonic.  Then there might be a coda.  This was a huge innovation.  It sounds formulaic today, but it wasn't when mozart and beethoven were writing.  They wrote that way intuitively and then later, analysists crystalized the formal elements.

In the romantic era, the extended key relationships were up for grabs, as was harmony, and difficulty.  Chopin wasn't experimental?  Listen to his prelude in E major, and all the harmony based on chords a third away (progressions like E major, B major, G major, D major, Bb major, G major, A major, B major).  Very experimental.

In the late romantic era, extended key relationships and dissonant harmonies nearly obliterated the tonal system.

Then we get to the composers you name.  Wagner is the first of them, his prelude to tristan und isolde being the biggest moment in music history so far.  From Wagner, we have schoenberg, who pushed the destruction of tonality farther with is twelve tone system.  Then, others pushed this system farther, Webern starting experimenting with serialization of other elements, which stockhausen pushed to all elements.  In response to that, you have minimalists and people like cage, who rebeled against that and produced music with entirely different ideas and techniques.  From the minimalists (especially Steve Reich's tape works) comes todays entire electronic music scene.

You make two mistakes.  First, you assume that the old composers weren't as innovative.  In a historical context this simply isn't true.  Then, you assume modern composers were hugely innovative, this isn't true either, they merely mark the apex of an evolutionary spam that goes back generations. 

I'll post some links to MIDI files that will let you see the progression of music, highlighting the innovative nature of each era.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: ricochet]
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I don't know a whole lot about musical theory or classical music history, but Handel's Water Music is one of my favorites.

BigNerd


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: tomk]
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To hear the evolution I outlined above, go to www.classicalarchives.com You have to register to download files, so go ahead and register. You can only get five files, so check out and then download the following MIDI Files. Be sure to rightclick / save to desktop rather then just clicking. You want to click on the composer name then go under midi.

MIDI sucks, so the sound quality of the files is low. But you can hear the evolution I outlined above if you listen through these in order.

PALESTRINA Missa Veni Sponsa Christi 5.Benedictus
J.S Bach Prelude and Fugue in E-, BWV533 (under keyboard works - organ works - preludes and fuges)
Beethoven Piano Sonata No.21 in C, Op.53 'Waldstein' 1. Allegro con Brio
Chopin 24 preludes No. 9 in E major
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde Prelude

When you listen keep in mind that each composer only had stuff like the previous composers in his ear when he came up with the work.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: oneducktwoducks]
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you can get soulseek and go to the 'Shroomery' room :thumbup:

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: stefan]
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Beethoven

5th and 9th symphonies.

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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: tomk]
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Aye calm it down a bit mate, you're very innacurate about a lot of stuff yourself in your brief annalysis of 600 years of music...for example, what does this actually mean?

"Harmonically, the change works like this. In the renasance (If I spell it different every time I'll get it right once), the focus was on suspensions of a certain sort and C-B-C type melodic progressions. In the baroque, it started to switch to chords, D major-G major-A major, for example. In the classical era, these harmonies started to form the basis for sections instead of chords."

Thats frankly bullshit. If you're gonna spew shiteloads of information at people at least know what you're on about.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: mr_kite]
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Argh, Related Threads strikes again! You replied to a year old post, but that's ok because you're drunk.


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: Revelation]
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Theres nothing wrong with yearold threads...theyre often more interesting.had time to mature and ripen. but well spotted anyway mr smuggy mcsmugson


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: mr_kite]
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Now i know you're drunk. Heh. Which is it tonight? White Lightning or Buckfast?


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Re: Any classical music fans out there? [Re: Revelation]
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embarassingly enough marks and spencers wine...selling off their xmas stock. wish it was the lightming tho.


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