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OfflineAdamist
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Drugs.... the modern day Jesus.
    #4522946 - 08/11/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ya know, when Jesus was here on Earth in his last widely known form, his experiment didn't do as much good as he probably hoped.
First of all, he was fucking crucified!
:jesus:
Second of all, his message has been so insanely distorted in the past 2000 years, that he may of done more harm than good, unintentionally! Look at all the wars in Christianity's name. Today's wars are nothing but modern "civilized" versions of the Crusades or Inquisition. The Christians versus the "unbelievers".
They do what they can get away with. :wink:

Anyways, I was thinking. Jesus left this planet and saw what happened in the wake of his revolutionary spirit, both good and bad, and he probably decided never again to do such a thing in that same form. It had terrible unforeseen consequences!
So he improved upon his plan, and he came up with psychedelics!
Sure, psychedelics have been around long before Jesus, but they were never something that was very widely known or experimented with... most of it was done in the hands of the shamans or mystics, who kept it secret from the rest of the population.
But just look at the world we live in today. The youth is waking up and asking questions in a bigger and bigger way, and part of that is experimenting on our consciousness. So we have things such as LSD and mushrooms being used in all walks of life... It's the modern day Jesus! And drugs sure do have a much wider and more powerful effect than just one man preaching...
Jesus figured out that the only way to change people was to GET INSIDE them and PROVOKE QUESTIONING, so that people could do it on their own. The drugs (and in turn, the drug enthusiasts) are basically telling us that there is much more to things than we have been fed and led to believe, which is exactly what Jesus (and countless others before and after) did! 

So maybe labelling this state of consciousness by the one name "Jesus" is misleading... He was just one of many who somehow realized shit while still in a human body, and decided to try and share it with his fellow man.

Drugs have taken the place of the shaman or mystic... the drugs themselves are the shaman or mystic... initiating us into their respective realities and lessons...
Mushrooms for instance, have a mind of their own, as does Salvia, and any other chemical that has been around for ages and has withstood the tests of time.
But desperate times do call for desperate measures, and personally I can't limit my experimentation solely to these "traditional" chemicals, and find myself open to anything (drug or otherwise) that expands my state of awareness in the slightest aspect...
Because people live their whole lives today thinking that what they perceive is all there is, and can't fathom anything outside of that... And I think that's just a waste!
What's the point of living and growing in this experience we call life if you are afraid to change what you think is real, what you think is important, what you think is necessary, what you believe... etc...
That's one of my biggest fears; is to turn into a person who is so afraid of change that they will go to great lengths to keep their illusions functional and believable! 

But maybe, just maybe, with the help of drugs, I can avoid such atrophy.  :cool:


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Adamist]
    #4522963 - 08/11/05 06:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's just that some drugs (a lot of them) don't have good intentions. Some destroy brain cells, others get you addicted.

Using drugs for positive purpuses is like picking wild mushrooms, can be priceless, but can be deadly too


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4522969 - 08/11/05 06:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I eat Jesus to get high.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Adamist]
    #4522980 - 08/11/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well that's quite the speculation you got goin there. :grin: Lets drop the Jesus decided to change tactics stuff ( as if he was in charge :laugh:) Then this gets a little interesting to me.

Life gets the job done. What has happened is exactally what was supposed to happen, because it did happen. See. :thumbup: :grin: :heart:


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Adamist]
    #4523412 - 08/11/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Or, Jesus was an exceptional man, but the wrong man, in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and made a mess of society. Psychedelics are more popular nowadays because information has travelled the world as time has passed.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Adamist]
    #4523419 - 08/11/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What if psychedelics were done before the invention of Jesus?


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Ravus]
    #4523424 - 08/11/05 08:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Wake up schiavo, he mentioned that.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523465 - 08/11/05 08:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Indeed, but he didn't really explain it very well. If Jesus was in fact drugs, then how could drugs be around before him? Unless Jesus created drugs knowing that after his failure he'd need to go back and possess them, but if he had that much foresight why would he fail as being a prophet in the first place?

Doesn't make sense to me, unless Jesus didn't know drugs were there until after his failure so he just possessed this new but unknown (even to him) tool. That is a possibility, but if Jesus can bring himself back from the dead or live after death he should at least be able to know that there are psychedelics on earth before failing at his mission.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Ravus]
    #4523480 - 08/11/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:laugh:

I have no idea, I just had these crazy thoughts and started writing them down.
You did a good job at pointing out the holes in my ramble-logic, though!  :heart:


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Ravus]
    #4523501 - 08/11/05 08:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

damn right he didn't explain it well :smile:

ANYWAY I absolutely abhor christianity and jesus was delusional. He wasn't even fucking named jesus but that's another story. However, I would like to make the point that in the christian storyline Jesus IS also god. Therefore, before jesus was born, god would have known about psychedelics (creator of all remember?). While jesus was alive, the stories have him knowing all kinds of stuff that a normal human couldn't know. So pretty much he still knows everything about everything, even though he's a human, as far as the story tells.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523669 - 08/11/05 09:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

But if Jesus was God, and we consider what he has done a failure since for the most part his message backfired in the entire history of Christian and produced wars, torture and bloodshed, then why would God not have the foresight to know his failure?

I guess that's why Christians constantly have their little motto, "Only God knows why." :rolleyes:


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Ravus]
    #4523679 - 08/11/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Preaching to the choir big time. Christianity does not follow logic or reason. The catholic church begs its followers to strive for blind faith (I am NOT exaggerating). I believe that this is because the whole shpiel doesn't make an inkling of sense if you use that sinful brain of yours to analyze for a moment.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: Ravus]
    #4523684 - 08/11/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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But if Jesus was God, and we consider what he has done a failure since for the most part his message backfired in the entire history of Christian and produced wars, torture and bloodshed, then why would God not have the foresight to know his failure?

I guess that's why Christians constantly have their little motto, "Only God knows why." :rolleyes:




Jesus said he was son of god or simply god, he also said that all humans are gods.

Now, if all humans are gods, how come they don't see into the future?

well must be because his definition of god was not the same as yours


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4523690 - 08/11/05 09:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus is 1/3rd of the Holy Trinity man. His ability to pull bunnies out of hats and cut people in half is way better than mine.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4523699 - 08/11/05 09:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No. Our definitions is not necessarily different. Jesus said "if you have as much faith as a mustard seed," you can do any hocus that he could do. So, why can't I see the future? According to Jesus, it's cause I don't believe it's possible.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523748 - 08/11/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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No. Our definitions is not necessarily different. Jesus said "if you have as much faith as a mustard seed," you can do any hocus that he could do. So, why can't I see the future? According to Jesus, it's cause I don't believe it's possible.





And there is no way you can test that. Because if you are testing it it means you have doubts.


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    #4523777 - 08/11/05 10:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That's part of catholicism also. They tell you not to try and test god, because it's a sin. they tell you this in the classes before you receive your confirmation.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523800 - 08/11/05 10:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's not really about them, the aincient messages themselfs have bullet proof protection against doubt.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4523806 - 08/11/05 10:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You did not indicate what you are talking about.


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Re: Drugs.... the modern day Jesus. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523814 - 08/11/05 10:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what do you mean? I was just responding to your post


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