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InvisibleSwami
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The REAL Skeptic
    #4521120 - 08/11/05 04:45 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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This site contains dozens of articles that challenge most every assumption about astronomy, physics, evolution and empirical science in general.

At first I thought this guy was wacked out, but the more I read, the more interesting and intelligent he (Peter Bros) appears. He is unafraid to ask deep questions.

Perhaps some of you physics guys might want to tackle an inconsistency or two he brings up. While this may seem better suited to the Science forum, there are enough philosophic issues to be covered.

I am too tired right now to hilight any specific anomolies that Bros points out nor form a solid opinion. Check it out for a new slant. Prepare to bring an open mind.


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Re: The REAL Skeptic [Re: Swami]
    #4521158 - 08/11/05 05:11 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

err...i didn't bother reading much, but i read his bit on the atom and it was, well, abysmal. his understanding of physics and the scientific method is pretty poor to be honest (at least judging from that one article).

i mean, his entire argument was that the model of the atom wasn't perfect in its original form, so its invalid. and that by improving the model over time, scientists are somehow doing something wrong.

he also claims that scientists 'profess perfect knowledge'.

what an idiot.


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Re: The REAL Skeptic [Re: alsey]
    #4521184 - 08/11/05 05:34 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

just a few particular points to show i'm not talking out of my ass:

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While the atom as described by empirical science is close to reality because it can be used by chemists to guide them in their explorations of potential technology, the usefulness of the atom has pretty much given way to the boring process of trial and error that is the foundation of all other technological endeavors simply because the atom has outlived its usefulness in guiding the production of technology. It is a concept that has passed its prime.




actually, the concept of the atom is still central to solid state physics, on which all modern electronic technology is based.

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Empirical science, however, does not abandon its concepts because it believes those concepts to be real, that the pictures in the books, the models in the museums, the charts on the wall all reflect the exact nature of the reality in which we live.




bros seems to like these kinds of strawman attack from what i have read. scientists work with theories that are added, deleted and modified as time progresses. absolute reality is not their domain; that is metaphysics.

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The concept of the atom was, however, flawed at the outset.




indeed, which is why it was modified (duh).

he then continues his diatribe attacking the early models of the atom which are already acknowledged to be wrong. yes, brilliant stuff; be a skeptic of things which have already been accepted as incorrect :confused:

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Empirical science, however, is never at a loss for creating that which it needs to cover over that which it doesn't understand. Empirical science is the process of naming rather than understanding. It started off with the holy grail of ignorance, the nature of the force that causes objects to drop. It has no idea what this force is, so it simply names it and lets it go at that. The force that causes objects to drop is gravity. It is a property, like the color of the elements, the hardness of the elements, or even like Mendeleev's chemical properties. It just exists.




here, bros' ignorance of the scientific method is shown. he is seeking the underlying 'why'. science cannot provide the answer to this, so he attacks science. but science was never supposed to answer that question. he is basically attacking science over a matter that is not even within the realm of science.

he then goes on to attack scientists for improving their theory. hmmm.


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Re: The REAL Skeptic [Re: Swami]
    #4522697 - 08/11/05 05:28 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

He's a nutcase. I don't know where to begin...


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Re: The REAL Skeptic [Re: Swami]
    #4522766 - 08/11/05 05:43 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

questioning everything one has ever read or hear is a good way to start looking for truth


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