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#4520275 - 08/10/05 10:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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After 20 years of sleeping, the RedBoy lives! See the latest issue(August) of FMRC's Teonanacatl for the first article on the return of this very rare mushroom.
A mycological Coup d'Etat had to be pulled off to get this mushroom back after 20 years. The spores would simply NOT germinate. The result is a 'cross' between the original UNgerminated redboy spores and a cubensis from puerto rico. Details of this experiment and a sporeprint are planned for an upcoming issue of Teonanacatl. However, here's a sneak preview to whet your appetite. Even though this is a cross,(NOT hybrid since it's two strains of the same species) you can clearly see the red color of the spores. Work is underway to remove the PR component to get back to pure Redboy.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4520840 - 08/11/05 12:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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After this stain has its "kinks" worked out, will it be distributed commercially?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Dragonaut] 1
#4521021 - 08/11/05 01:59 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow i am verry interested do get back on this 
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: myCo_psyCo] 1
#4521352 - 08/11/05 07:39 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty cool huh? You should see the rig he used to hydrate the spores! Crafty! lol
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4521939 - 08/11/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who is claiming to have done this? YOU or the FMRC.
I call bullshit either way.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan] 1
#4522764 - 08/11/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: motaman] 1
#4523492 - 08/11/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The pf redspore is a much lighter color than these. The RedBoy is more of an 'auburn red'.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4523633 - 08/11/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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good stuff RR, are the prints still available in the august issue FMRC, if i were to say get a subscription now, would i still be able to get the august issue?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: ] 1
#4523954 - 08/11/05 09:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The august issue has an article and picture. No prints yet.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4524050 - 08/11/05 09:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's catalog number SO4241 (or SO424I, I can't tell from Stephen's handwriting). Go to FMRC's page and see if that's available. Can't hurt to ask.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4526175 - 08/12/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know there are red spore cubensis out there, just doubting the method in which this particular one is being restored. I doubt seriously that peele can do protplast isolation from non germinated spores, fuse these with PR protoplasts, let them sporulate, and then be able to remove the PR from the resulting recombined and MIXED NEW STRAIn spores.
Personally I don't think a strain that doesn't produce all of the spore pigmentation is worth the trouble to even attempt. And you can't remove the PR from the New strain. The best you can do is hope that the trait is passed to the hybrid strain, and that it does not get lost in future generations of the new strain. But you do not have the original REDSPORE strain, or the original PR once they are crossed. You can never get the original back.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan] 1
#4526996 - 08/12/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wierd, I though you can something to do with teonanactl or whatever it is, because of your old name and its name. Interesting..they say details on the experiment will be released? So details on how this "cross" was made will be released?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: scatmanrav] 1
#4527744 - 08/12/05 06:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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and why again is a red spored strain such a big deal?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: yousuck] 2
#4528176 - 08/12/05 09:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gotta love doubters. I especially like words such as can't and never. They serve to keep the rest of us working hard.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#4529636 - 08/13/05 08:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agreed!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: yousuck] 1
#4529957 - 08/13/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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and why again is a red spored strain such a big deal?
If you eat a red spored shroom it will take you to the 11th level of enlightenment. Regular shrooms only go to 10.
Also, there is a bonus level on level 10 that you need the red spores for to get the glowing brain of the ancient super space ninja.
And the space ninja brain knows everything dewd.
Seriously though, it's just a novelty item for collectors, and I believe its existence may cast some doubt upon the current classification scheme.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#4530025 - 08/13/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm certainly waiting for my sample and curious myself. Always interested in an oddity, and sometimes they wind up to be more than that down the line. I doubt that despite efforts extended the entire taxonomic methods or rationale will be radically changed. Could be, but it will all depend on what everyone learns from the strain when we have a chance to work with it. (I hate "Someday soon..." things and prefer "We have it and here you are" things most...)
I kinda wish Peele had kept it under his hat until closer to the wire because it really does create a lot of pre-evidence speculation that drives people nuts. I think he is so excited about the reclamation himself that he just had to tell 
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#4530793 - 08/13/05 05:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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and why again is a red spored strain such a big deal?
If you eat a red spored shroom it will take you to the 11th level of enlightenment. Regular shrooms only go to 10.
Also, there is a bonus level on level 10 that you need the red spores for to get the glowing brain of the ancient super space ninja.
And the space ninja brain knows everything dewd.
Finally, the truth comes out...lol
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4537718 - 08/15/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ladies and gentleman. The nobel prize goes to Stephen peele for his contribution to Meiotic recombination research on planet earth.
Essentially folks, he would get one if he can do what he claims.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4539133 - 08/15/05 05:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's a bold statement IMO. You're barking up a tree that's pretty high. Peele has done wonders for this hobby, so has Rodger. Take that negativity to the cult. forum. It's not welcome here..................
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Hotnuts]
#4548612 - 08/17/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a bold statement IMO. You're barking up a tree that's pretty high. Peele has done wonders for this hobby, so has Rodger. Take that negativity to the cult. forum. It's not welcome here
Nice to see you over here standing up for our own.
Peele and RR both are good peeps, and even better mycologists.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: WaylitJim]
#4548769 - 08/17/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there anyway you could send me some of those spores? I would love to grow something like that, very beautiful.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Innominate]
#4549305 - 08/17/05 10:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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My understanding is the spores are to be given away in Stephen's magazine. Here's another couple of pictures. The second one just shows the spore color on the stipe a bit better.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4549597 - 08/17/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rodger, I've got some respect for you so I have to assume the color is off on that picture or my screen. But they look just like regular cube spores to me. Maybe, a teeeeeeeny tiny bit red-ish, but just like a thousand other sporulating cubes I've seen. Maybe it's the concentration or the compression or something.
Might be one of those, gotta see it in person to see it things....
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: mycofile]
#4550647 - 08/18/05 05:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those look like normal spores to me...
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MikeOLogical]
#4550726 - 08/18/05 07:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Must be the monitor. They're red. Not strawberry red like pf's but a dark red, more of a maroon. Definitely not purple/black.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4551071 - 08/18/05 10:07 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can see in pic 1 that they're red for sure. Pic 2 they look at bit more blue because the spores are thick.
Has anyone gotten to taste the Redboy?
Edited by hotnutz (08/19/05 08:09 AM)
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Hotnuts]
#4552922 - 08/18/05 06:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Might be one of those, gotta see it in person to see it things.
I think so...
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Juan_del_Pueblo]
#4557220 - 08/19/05 11:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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perhaps the person who claimed to have found a red spored strain is colorblind.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: yousuck]
#4558319 - 08/20/05 09:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
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perhaps the person who claimed to have found a red spored strain is colorblind.
Or maybe that's you, or your monitor, because to me they are obviously red.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Innominate]
#4559732 - 08/20/05 03:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to start shit, I totally believe RR (more so than peele even). I think it must be my eyes or my monitor.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: mycofile]
#4560148 - 08/20/05 06:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, try this again. Look just below the cap on the stem. Those spores are burgundy. The color of red wine. If not, it's your monitor, so pull it up on a different computer and take another look.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4561861 - 08/21/05 06:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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RR I def. have respect for u but they don't look different thanreg. on 3 ppl screens so far. I believe they happen. I have found them in the wild multiple times and only found 2 albinos in the wild.Both I feel are obvious gen. defects. Me thinks if you were to grow a red(rust) colored print it would take lots of time/work to KIND OF stabilize for sale/microscopy.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: em_bre_O]
#4565844 - 08/22/05 04:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm... im pretty sure ive had shrooms that dropped red. wonder what strain those were? bhan hua thanon maby? ah, i cant recall. brownish-red spores... at least i seem to remember having seen that.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Mindzpore]
#4565955 - 08/22/05 07:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spores on cyans and azures go from purple black to reddish maroon.Isolating a true red stain would not be difficult as time consuming. Hell I have such a variation of color on prints within a fruiting I know now to NOT count on a specific color in identifying Ps. species in fact I believe a new taxonomy is needed for fungi overall based on genetic similarity rather than macro and microscopic morphology.
Keep up the very interesting work and please if possible take note of any subjective differences in effect. Ps. species hold a huge medical potential and the effects are species and subspecies specific (why curanderos use ony specific shrooms to cure illness)I am trying to learn more about this. Any help would be great!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4566197 - 08/22/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks Red to me RR.
But, being the skeptic that I am... your more than welcome to send me a sample print, so I can prove it to myself 
Good Work, BTW
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#4566332 - 08/22/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I trust you Roger...completely!~
I'm slightly color blind to certain shades of color...so I wouldn't be much help.
maybe when we go have that beer...you could show me a print.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Hotnuts]
#4566350 - 08/22/05 11:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not arguing against the people, I am arguing against the statement made, its wording, and the lack of scientific technology to do what was implied.
Now you can call me negative, and tell me I belong in the Cult forum, not the advanced forum. But you are just showing your lack of knowledge of me, the site, the mushroom itself, and the science surrounding this hobby.
If it is a vegetative hybrid, then yes you could remove the PR nuceli, and replace it with a Redspore nuceli. But if you had multiple compatable nuceli from the redspore you would not need the PR to mate with.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4566457 - 08/22/05 12:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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But if you had multiple compatable nuceli from the redspore you would not need the PR to mate with.
Bingo.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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... if you had multiple compatable nuceli from the redspore you would not need the PR to mate with.
That's what my wife keeps telling me... But I tell her we're still getting lucky
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4566846 - 08/22/05 03:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those spores are burgundy. The color of red wine.
Hmmm....but isn't this the color all P. cubensis have? At least the strains I grew do.....
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4568236 - 08/22/05 09:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see red, well actually a maroon.
Cool
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: CLUTCH]
#4568529 - 08/22/05 09:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, it's really hard to tell. The darkest part of the stipe definitely looks like normal black/purple cube spores, but if you look right below the cap you can catch a hint of the red...
But those pics are of the crossed strains right? So those aren't the final product....
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: dr0mni]
#4571741 - 08/23/05 05:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's a beauty.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4611326 - 09/02/05 01:29 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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any progress? updates?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Dragonaut]
#4611581 - 09/02/05 03:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update is that the new issue of the magazine with the prints is now out
EDIT: I was mistaken, the prints are not out yet
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: blackout]
#4611915 - 09/02/05 10:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Work is ongoing. For those of you who want a redboy/PR cross, I believe free spores will be sent out in a future issue of Teo. Work is underway to duplicate the experiment with the offspring to produce a 75% Redboy/25% PR. If that proves to be successful, a third cross will be made to produce an 87 1/2% Redboy/12 1/2% PR. Such things take time.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: blackout]
#4611959 - 09/02/05 10:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The August issue doesn't have a print of the red spore cube... there was a black and white photocopy of the red spore print, and a real print sample of another species...
was i mistaken? did Peele not announce that there would be a print sample of the red spore in the august issue? i was disappointed when i saw there wasn't...
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4612041 - 09/02/05 11:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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IS the methodology of the experiment in the issue?
Repeating the experiment will select towards PR not Redspore.
50:50 hybrid breed to 100% PR will yield 75% PR not Redspore.
75:25 hybrid breed to 100% PR will yield 87.5% PR not redspore.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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you have to breed a monokaryon of the hybrid spores back against the protoplasts of the Redspore.
50:50 hybrid mated to 100% redspore yields 75:25 in favor of redspore.
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Curious if the trait was passed to all the offspring of the hybrid spores, or just a percentage. How are you going to determine which monokaryon to breed back against the original protoplasts, IE, how do you determine which monokaryon has Redspore trait?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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IS the methodology of the experiment in the issue?
I don't think so. There are some clues as to how it was done on mycotopia. all zooming over my head, my cats name is mittens
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: blackout]
#4614868 - 09/02/05 11:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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quote:
"Curious if the trait was passed to all the offspring of the hybrid spores, or just a percentage"
Just a percentage.
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"How are you going to determine which monokaryon to breed back against the original"
By duplicating the experiment with dozens of monokaryons then seeing which ones work best by the results obtained. In other words, trial and error. Those that fail to pass on the trait are to be discarded.
The methodology is not in the August issue. Look for a paper on it in a future issue, most likely the one with the free spore print.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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There is no need to breed the hybrid spores back to the PR. Just do multispore streaks of the hybrid and growout several of the resulting strains. Then it is just a matter of selecting the reddest spores and doing it again until the trait is stable.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Workman]
#4618714 - 09/04/05 04:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, that's being done too. It was probably a typo, but the hybrid spores are being crossbred back to the original Redboy, not the PR. It would be nice to attempt to stabilize the red spore trait from a 75% Redboy, rather than a 50/50.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Workman]
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The original Redspore spores could have been treated, and possibly had dikaryons emerge without hybridization.
Since the hybrid monokaryons must be mated against those original treated spores to get 75% Redspore, why not just mate the Redspores amongst themselves. To have any mating, they must have been succesfully removed from the cell walls, and could have undegone fusion with each other.
Yes the hybrid spores them selves can be used to isolate strains that contain the redspore trait, without having to backcross. You can never get back to 100% redspore anyways.
There really was no need to hybridize in the first place, and there is no need to backcross now. Just isolate strains that have the redspore trait, via multispore, or via controlled monokaryon matings to know for sure which monokaryons posses the trait.
Backcrossing is not going to gurantee redspore trait at 75 %, just that 75% of the genome is Redspore strain.
The only gurantee is controlled matings of hybrid monokaryons to determine which monokaryons exactly posses the trait, and which combinations when mated posses the trait, and which of these pass it to 100% of the offspring.
This can be done random as workman suggest, easiest method. Or controlled, to gurantee results, not so easy.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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"There really was no need to hybridize in the first place, and there is no need to backcross now."
It is indeed an honor to have someone of your caliber and expertise to point out everything I've done wrong. By the way, what IS your caliber and experience in getting 20 year old spores to germinate? The 20 year old redboy print I received would NOT germinate, no matter what I tried, and believe me, I nearly ran out of spores trying every trick in the book, plus a few not in the book. In my experience, after even just five years, a room temperature stored sporeprint taken on non-acid free paper will not germinate. In fact, it was just such a five year old sporeprint that was used to develop the procedures listed in this thread. Once the experiment had been duplicated with the five year old sporeprint, the tek was applied to the 20 year old spores which would NOT germinate on their own. Hybridization was mandatory because there were no fresh redboy spores in existence anywhere.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Once you get the spores as red as you can by whatever means, how about crossing them with these white spores printed from the PF Albino. Maybe it would result in pink spores  but I doubt it.
Pointer is 8.4 microns wide.
These spores are viable and germinate easily. I've isolated a monkaryotic strain from a single white spore and several dikaryotic strains from multispore. The prints currently are very light deposits, but I hope to eventually selectively breed something that produces dense white prints. Don't ask me why because I don't really see a purpose other than my own entertainment.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Workman]
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I'd love to. How can I beg a print?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4625493 - 09/06/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did not say you did anything wrong. READ MY POSTS.
DId YOU use REDSPORE protoplasts to mate with the PR monokaryon? ARe you going to use REdspore protoplsts to mate with the hybrid monokaryons? If so, why not just use protoplsts of Redspore to fuse with each other. That is all?
Have a nice day. I will refrain from saying anything in any of your posts, even when I am interested in doing so. In case you didn't notice, I was showing the most interest of anyone. 
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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I did'nt know it red spores were such a big deal. I found a few growing in a field up in pensacola.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: shamanamba]
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If you find any more, I'd like a print. They're extremely rare.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Quote:
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If you find any more, I'd like a print. They're extremely rare.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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hey roger, not meaning to be a wiseass or anything, but, if it really has red spores, then how can you positively identify it as a cubensis?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MikeOLogical]
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Good question.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4629853 - 09/07/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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As per an earlier post that disapeared where I had mistakenly said that I hadn't gotten my most recent TEO I just wanted to correct that and say that I discovered that I in fact have gotten it (& it was on time - I just was unaware) ....and having cleared that up I suppose this post can be deleted by the deleter too!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4664580 - 09/15/05 11:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Red Spored Mutation probly woudnt germanate anyway
Like the ocasional mutated albino with no spores
or the ocasional brown spored mutant I see in P. semilanceata from time to time, those will not germinate either
in my experience a lack of proper pigmentation is the result of something gone terribly wrong in the karyogamy/meiosis/migration phase
of the nuclei, resulting in a spore that has no nuclei, or at least lacks the dna material needed for proper hypha development
IF in a case where mutations of this nature do germinate, it is highly unlikely that sucsesful mating will produce fruitbodies
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4685313 - 09/20/05 05:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man ive been around thse forums for a long time, and every time i pop back there is someone trying to claim that they are responsible for something or other...
Saying Eontan is negative is a joke - he is trying to point out to the blind newbie that this is actually all bullshit and everyone who has an inkling about mushroom genetics or biology would know this after reading the first post in this thread... Why this belongs in the advanced cultivation forum is beyond me - perhaps a new forum 'fictional cultivation techniques' would be more suitable??
Firstly, red spores - who cares - all mushrooms are highly variable - every germination has the potential to throw out thousands of possible phenotype characteristics (be they wavy caps, albino characteristics, hyaline cystidia, sterile spores or funny coloured spores - but ofcourse these are never stable, and the rarer they are the less likely that they will remain after cultivation.
To expect a mushroom to have these characteristics from a multi spore inoculation is a dream. Claiming that your expertise is somehow resulting in these phenotypes is laughable, since the weirder ones tend to be the result of over cultivation (and subsequent mutation of small genetic stock) or the result of the mushroom trying to cope with poor fruiting conditions.
I agree with Eontan - what you have here is someone claiming the credit for a phenotype genetic fuckup - it happens naturally... Give nature the credit she deserves!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Zen Peddler]
#4685464 - 09/20/05 07:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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not trying to bash you or anything bluemeanie, more like asking a simple question.
many spore suppliers have the PF Albino Strain. from what i understand this strain came from PF himself by using UV light over many generations. i've never heard of anyone who has ordered PF Albino and gotten normal shrooms from the spores. so isnt it possible that one of the nature caused "mutations" (i agree nature has more to do with the various strains than anything) could have caused the red spored sub-species? and maybe just maybe someone somehow got "dead" spores to germinate or cross-breeded them or whatever. alot of people have claimed to have seen these red spored shrooms out in the wild before. while it isnt a stable strain, its just like any shroom, all beautiful and intriguing in their own right.
i'm personally in love with the tak mountain cube, even tho its just another cubensis, the size and decent potency are great. even tho i've had azurescens before i still prefer the taks.
my point being, dont trash on people's finds/claims.
i remember when the Lizard King found his new species in GA.
alot of people claimed it was p. atlantis.
but even the original collector of the atlantis went hunting with LK and said they weren't atlantis
then people claimed it was weii(not sure if thst the spelling)
even if THEY cant show you SOLID PROOF dont claim something is bullshit unless YOU have SOLID PROOF it is BS.
anyways once again, this isnt a thrashing or a bashing.
i just get tired of people talking shit about other people's claims.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
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It's so great to have the knowledge base here with all the wonderful and experienced growers who are always happy and glad to share their insight and expertise with us. It makes the occasional arrogant asshole who can't read the thread before posting unsupported rants much easier to ignore.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Quote:
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It's so great to have the knowledge base here with all the wonderful and experienced growers who are always happy and glad to share their insight and expertise with us. It makes the occasional arrogant asshole who can't read much easier to ignore.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Agreed indeed!!! lol! You've caught more hell over these threads than anyone i've ever seen. The work being performed here is great stuff people. You should enjoy the thread instead of making it miserable for people with interest. If you have something mean to say that's going nowhere, keep it to yourselves instead of ruining the thread with mean remarks about it. Nice work as usual man...
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Zen Peddler]
#4691268 - 09/21/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bluemeanie thanks for the defense and all, but you should read the thread. You might find something interesting is going on.
Apparently the guy has managed to isolate a protoplast from a sexual spore and fuse it with a monokaryon of another strain. This HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE with sexual spores that I have heard of. I know asexual spores are easier to dissolve the cell wall, and they have been used.
The redspore trait seems to be important to alot of folks here, and trying to maintain it is a positive. They way it is being maintained is even more impressive.
All of my percieved negativity was definetly misunderstood, and I was simply trying to tease some methodology out of the poster. I DID post a simple fact that once recombination occurs, you cannot ever REMOVE the PUERTO RICAN component completely. This was interpereted as me being negative about the whole thing.
I say we leave this one alone until the article comes out, and it is available for peer review.
Good luck Roger Rabbit, I like your posts. Sorry for all this chaos.
Did I just post in a thread I said I would not post in again. Sorry.
Bluemeanie please read the whole thread. He is not claiming to have made the redspore. The redspore was found in nature.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
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Thanks EonTan. So sorry for any misunderstanding. The red spore dropping trait is important in that it's something that separates this strain from nearly all the others. As we all know, there is very little difference between the various strains out there. So far, about 20% of the offspring from the first pairing drops red spores. The other 80% have the traditional color. I'm hoping with lots of work and the help of the OMC that 20% can be raised to near 100%. You are correct I believe, I doubt the PR component can ever be removed entirely, but can certainly be diluted by selective breeding/printing. For those of you who get the first batch of prints, all I ask is that you only print the red spore dropping caps. Stephen has announced that a small print sample will be going out in the November issue of Teo.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
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well so far i know cubensis produces the normal brownish-purple spores and a severely recessive red spore trait. are there any other known colors of spores that cubensis can produce? i think i once read that there was a white spored cubensis at one time?
A quick question to RR.
the FMRC told me they no longer "release" the blue-glass sclerotia.
Psycho-Sapphire i believe it was called.
Knowing you have many different strains and species, would you happen to have any of these spores? I currently grow PESA, however i've become addicted to collecting spore prints just to keep as a nice little personal collection. I'm having a hell of a time trying to find spore prints of Gymnopilus sapineus. anyways i've gotten way off topic.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
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I got my copy of TMC the other day... i thought it was the TEO with the redspore print, i was bummed when i opened it ...
roger, are you selecting all of the red spore prints that come up, or are you looking for ones that are redder than the others? and are there any specimens showing both red and purple spore?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MikeOLogical]
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From the first(and only) red spore mushroom to fruit after the cross, several substrains were isolated on agar. Of those, 80% displayed the 'normal' colored spores. Two of the isolates displayed spores that were very close to the original spore sample that was sent of the 20 year old spores. Spores from those two isolates were grown out and about 50% of the fruits displayed the red spore color, although not as 'red' as the original, due to the PR content. Those are the prints that were sent to fmrc for distribution in the next(november) issue. The strain is really cool and fun to work with, but not yet stable in that not all of the fruits will display the red spore color. I have no commercial interest in this, so am not interested in doing a dozen or so generations to get a pure strain. The strain is being released 'as is' so anyone who wants to try their hand at it can help themselves. I would recommend all who get it only propagate the red spore dropping fruits.
Another interesting characteristic of the strain is that it bruises green where damaged as can be seen from the picture below.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4713147 - 09/26/05 08:11 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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that print in that pic looks to be almost vinaceous with a hint of brown
not red
in fact it looks "vinaceous to violaceous brown"
its real small .... hard to tell
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: noxy]
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RR could you identify a red spore producing cube just by the color of the gills and the fact that it bruises a blue/greenish color with out a print.
The reason why I'm asking is because I found cube that had off white gills and bruised green.(I didn't take a print) I would like to go back to the same place to see if their would be more. So could you tell me if these look like the "RED Boy" Its kind of a long shot with out a print I know.... but if you can identify them it will a least point me in the right direction
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4735024 - 09/30/05 02:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok - I have re-read the post and I was off tack with what I was saying - i apoligise. Likewise I will look forward to seeing the paper regarding the above.
Bash me if im still reading this wrong (and im in a hurry at an internet cafe so taht is quite possible) but I still think people here are looking at the red-spore characteristic like it is the one facet that breaks mushrooms with that characteristic into a seperate 'strain' of cubensis.
The whole concept of strain specific characteristics isnt valid - the same mushroom spore-match with exactly the same genetics can produce a huge variety if possible phenotype characteristics - some more likely over selection to re-occur (hence the PF albino point raised earlier), some less likely.
By selection it would be possible to promote certain phenotypes - the albino PF and the red-spored mushroom - but what your talking about this person doing is beyond that.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5016798 - 12/05/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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The experiment was duplicated by crossing the 50/50 Redboy-PR back to the original 20 year old spores. The result is a 75% pure Redboy strain. Enjoy.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5016953 - 12/05/05 09:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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The experiment was duplicated by crossing the 50/50 Redboy-PR back to the original 20 year old spores. The result is a 75% pure Redboy strain. Enjoy.
RR
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5016966 - 12/05/05 09:15 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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here's some pics of my prints from a grow of the original rb/pr cross spores.
i believe it was a success !
thanks RR for bringing this potent badboy back!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#5017131 - 12/05/05 10:25 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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jsut read this whole thread and i think its pretty freakn cool what uve done RR, is there anyway a person like myself or others can get ahold of some of these spores?
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 Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: zenman223]
#5024659 - 12/06/05 05:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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they dont look very red...
edit after reading past page 1 
dood! good freaking work! is there a waiting list somewhere for a red print? 
well done, for sure...
p.p.s.
how is the potency on the red-spore strain?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: starseed1066]
#5025970 - 12/06/05 09:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Potency is fucking amazing for a cube.
1 gram felt like a 3-4 gram cube trip. in fact it didnt feel quite like a normal cube trip, had more of a "body high" than most cubes that i have eaten. also notice they bruise GREEN not green-blue.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#5027417 - 12/07/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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>notice they bruise GREEN not green-blue.
This is something every P. cubensis does.
The mushroom bruises blue, and since the flesh of P. cubensis has a yellow tone to it, the result is the greenish bruising.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Anno]
#5027988 - 12/07/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not exactly anno. These actually DO bruise green instead of blue. Here's a cool mutant pic. You can see the red spores on the stipe near the cap, and the green at the base where it was bruised by picking. By the way anno, I owe you a print because you sent me one last year. PM me an addy and I'll get you a redboy print out.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5028241 - 12/07/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for backing me up RR, as i havent taken a pic of the green bruising yet, but i will when the next flush finishes (IF it finishes out of the 4 monster pins only 1 is still growing but very slowly now).
this strain seems to abort quite a bit for me compared to most strains, however its not as bad as the PFC when it comes to aborts.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#5036998 - 12/08/05 11:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Grimocin said:
Potency is fucking amazing for a cube.
1 gram felt like a 3-4 gram cube trip. in fact it didnt feel quite like a normal cube trip, had more of a "body high" than most cubes that i have eaten.
jesus tits. that's amazing.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: starseed1066]
#5038224 - 12/09/05 08:29 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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i should let you know i'm kinda sensitive to mushies. 1/2 a gram makes me feel pretty damn good (level 1) , and 4-5 grams gets me to level 5. i thought the redboys were good potency because i had tripped on 2 grams of costas about 3 days before the 1 gram redboy.
felt like absolutely no tolerance.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5055165 - 12/12/05 10:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Way to go Roger! I was really hoping this would turn out successful. How fortunate for mycology and shroomerites.
Has Peele/FMRC released any samples yet? If not, will you be working to distribute them?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Dragonaut]
#5198691 - 01/19/06 11:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just thought, if you could get the albino mushrooms, with red spores, youd have red white and blue mushrooms...imagine the marketing...the president could endorse them.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: scatmanrav]
#5200123 - 01/19/06 07:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Except this strain bruises green, not blue.
RR
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5200885 - 01/19/06 10:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, fix it!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5205772 - 01/21/06 07:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could you post pics of the red spore PC with a normal PC 8eside it? And could you do the same with the prints.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: scatmanrav]
#5205848 - 01/21/06 08:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Well, fix it!
It ain't broke...lol
Roach6, scroll back through this thread for pictures. I typically post pictures a year or so after the grow, so these are all old and I've switched to strictly legal edibles and medicinals. I don't even have cube pictures or product to pose next to a redboy. Sorry. Here's a picture of a fruitbody with the reddish color showing on the veil, and a print. That's the best I can do. Lots of folks growing these now, and Ralphster has syringes. I'm sure there's a ton of pictures on the way.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5208953 - 01/22/06 02:37 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: roach6]
#5213732 - 01/23/06 11:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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There some very red print pics at mycotopia
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: blackout]
#5213955 - 01/23/06 12:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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looking at the image of the print on foil is it just moisture from the caps or does it appear that it drops red or purple spores along with white ones?
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 Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12409859 - 04/17/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Gotta love doubters. I especially like words such as can't and never. They serve to keep the rest of us working hard.
RR
That is the truth! 
AMAZING THREAD ROGER! The work you do and the contributions you have made, and are currently making to "The Magic Mushroom Community" never cease to amaze me!
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This thread has got my wheels turning about crossing species's in attempt to breed my own and slap the name hamloaf on it.  Why not?
There are approximately thirty species of rattle snake, with numerous subspecies. Which specie or sub-specie of rattle snake venom was utilized/used in this experiment and does this matter?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: hamloaf]
#12410953 - 04/17/10 08:04 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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one thing to remember about the red spores if you are picking wild mushrooms is this. dont' just go and eat them because they could be these:
they look very much like stunzii and cyanescens but galerina autumnalis is deadly poisonous and have rust color spores.
galerina autumnlais contain a poison type called amanatin which is an amatoxin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatoxin
galerina autumnalis
Psilocybe stuntzii
Psilocybe cyanescens
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: smurphy5000]
#12537565 - 05/10/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yay for 5yr old bumps...What can you say? Epic thread is epic! Thanks RR once again...
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