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InvisibleLos_Pepes
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Salman Rushdie in the news
    #4518911 - 08/10/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The Right Time for An Islamic Reformation

By Salman Rushdie

Sunday, August 7, 2005; Page B07

When Sir Iqbal Sacranie, head of the Muslim Council of Britain, admitted that "our own children" had perpetrated the July 7 London bombings, it was the first time in my memory that a British Muslim had accepted his community's responsibility for outrages committed by its members. Instead of blaming U.S. foreign policy or "Islamophobia," Sacranie described the bombings as a "profound challenge" for the Muslim community. However, this is the same Sacranie who, in 1989, said that "Death is perhaps too easy" for the author of "The Satanic Verses." Tony Blair's decision to knight him and treat him as the acceptable face of "moderate," "traditional" Islam is either a sign of his government's penchant for religious appeasement or a demonstration of how limited Blair's options really are.

Sacranie is a strong advocate of Blair's much-criticized new religious-hatred bill, which will make it harder to criticize religion, and he actually expects the new law to outlaw references to Islamic terrorism. He said as recently as Jan. 13, "There is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist. This is deeply offensive. Saying Muslims are terrorists would be covered [i.e., banned] by this provision." Two weeks later his organization boycotted a Holocaust remembrance ceremony in London commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz 60 years ago. If Sir Iqbal Sacranie is the best Blair can offer in the way of a good Muslim, we have a problem.


The Sacranie case illustrates the weakness of the Blair government's strategy of relying on traditional, essentially orthodox Muslims to help eradicate Islamist radicalism. Traditional Islam is a broad church that certainly includes millions of tolerant, civilized men and women but also encompasses many whose views on women's rights are antediluvian, who think of homosexuality as ungodly, who have little time for real freedom of expression, who routinely express anti-Semitic views and who, in the case of the Muslim diaspora, are -- it has to be said -- in many ways at odds with the Christian, Hindu, non-believing or Jewish cultures among which they live.

In Leeds, from which several of the London bombers came, many traditional Muslims lead inward-turned lives of near-segregation from the wider population. From such defensive, separated worlds some youngsters have indefensibly stepped across a moral line and taken up their lethal rucksacks.

The deeper alienations that lead to terrorism may have their roots in these young men's objections to events in Iraq or elsewhere, but the closed communities of some traditional Western Muslims are places in which young men's alienations can easily deepen. What is needed is a move beyond tradition -- nothing less than a reform movement to bring the core concepts of Islam into the modern age, a Muslim Reformation to combat not only the jihadist ideologues but also the dusty, stifling seminaries of the traditionalists, throwing open the windows to let in much-needed fresh air.

It would be good to see governments and community leaders inside the Muslim world as well as outside it throwing their weight behind this idea, because creating and sustaining such a reform movement will require above all a new educational impetus whose results may take a generation to be felt, a new scholarship to replace the literalist diktats and narrow dogmatisms that plague present-day Muslim thinking. It is high time, for starters, that Muslims were able to study the revelation of their religion as an event inside history, not supernaturally above it.

It should be a matter of intense interest to all Muslims that Islam is the only religion whose origins were recorded historically and thus are grounded not in legend but in fact. The Koran was revealed at a time of great change in the Arab world, the seventh-century shift from a matriarchal nomadic culture to an urban patriarchal system. Muhammad, as an orphan, personally suffered the difficulties of this transformation, and it is possible to read the Koran as a plea for the old matriarchal values in the new patriarchal world, a conservative plea that became revolutionary because of its appeal to all those whom the new system disenfranchised, the poor, the powerless and, yes, the orphans.

Muhammad was also a successful merchant and heard, on his travels, the Nestorian Christians' desert versions of Bible stories that the Koran mirrors closely (Christ, in the Koran, is born in an oasis, under a palm tree). It ought to be fascinating to Muslims everywhere to see how deeply their beloved book is a product of its place and time, and in how many ways it reflects the Prophet's own experiences.

However, few Muslims have been permitted to study their religious book in this way. The insistence that the Koranic text is the infallible, uncreated word of God renders analytical, scholarly discourse all but impossible. Why would God be influenced by the socioeconomics of seventh-century Arabia, after all? Why would the Messenger's personal circumstances have anything to do with the Message?

The traditionalists' refusal of history plays right into the hands of the literalist Islamofascists, allowing them to imprison Islam in their iron certainties and unchanging absolutes. If, however, the Koran were seen as a historical document, then it would be legitimate to reinterpret it to suit the new conditions of successive new ages. Laws made in the seventh century could finally give way to the needs of the 21st. The Islamic Reformation has to begin here, with an acceptance of the concept that all ideas, even sacred ones, must adapt to altered realities.

Broad-mindedness is related to tolerance; open-mindedness is the sibling of peace. This is how to take up the "profound challenge" of the bombers. Will Sir Iqbal Sacranie and his ilk agree that Islam must be modernized? That would make them part of the solution. Otherwise, they're just the "traditional" part of the problem.

The writer is a novelist and essayist whose works include "The Satanic Verses."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/05/AR2005080501483.html


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4596024 - 08/29/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

1989: Ayatollah sentences author to death
Iranian Muslim leader Ayatollah Khomeini has issued a death threat against British author Salman Rushdie and his publishers over the book Satanic Verses.
Scotland Yard is providing the author with specialist protection and advice and all 11,000 staff at publishers Viking have received internal memos about the potential danger.

Security has been increased at offices, bookshops and distribution depots.

Mr Rushdie's editorial director has said a promotional tour of America may have to be cancelled.


It is not true this book is a blasphemy against Islam


Salman Rushdie


The Ayatollah - as Imam, or chief spiritual guide, of Shia Muslims across the world - broadcast a fatwa (edict) on Tehran Radio to eliminate the writer and declared the rest of the day should be one of mourning.

His message said: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

Mr Rushdie, 42, responded hours later. "I am very sad it should have happened," he said. "It is not true this book is a blasphemy against Islam.

"I doubt very much Khomeini or anyone else in Iran has read this book or anything more than selected extracts taken out of context."

He explained the Satanic Verses attempts to investigate conflicts between religious and secular viewpoints.

Published last September, the Satanic Verses has sold 100,000 hardback copies in the UK and US and was runner up for the Booker and Whitbread literary awards.

Already banned in five countries, the first demonstrations against the book took place in Bradford, West Yorkshire, where a copy was publicly burned.

Politicians in Westminster have expressed outrage at the threat and have called on the government to complain formally to Iran.

The Iranian Prime Minister Hussain Mousavi has sanctioned Hezbollah groups to "take the necessary action" against the author.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/14/newsid_2541000/2541149.stm


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4596060 - 08/29/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

God damn you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least diminish your posting to one or two threads a day.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4596064 - 08/29/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Afraid of the truth?



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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4596071 - 08/29/05 08:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I can only handle so much truth in a 24 hour period. Look at all of the clutter you have produced on page 1 of the politics forum. You should be ashamed of yourself Los_Pepes......or should I say Great_Satan!


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4596285 - 08/29/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
I can only handle so much truth in a 24 hour period. Look at all of the clutter you have produced on page 1 of the politics forum. You should be ashamed of yourself Los_Pepes......or should I say Great_Satan!




Thanks R-F. This and the LSDmistake are doing a fine job of turning this into a swamp of ludicrous rants. Please go away.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4596340 - 08/29/05 09:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Anybody who supports religious hate speach laws should be shot in the face.

In some parts of the U.S. you can be arrested for sporting a rebel flag.


Anyone who supports that should be niggerwhipped.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4596344 - 08/29/05 09:43 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Everybody except me shut up.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4596577 - 08/29/05 10:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
God damn you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least diminish your posting to one or two threads a day.




Fuck you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least stop posting! Unlike you, he actually made an intelligent post. Something you have never done.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4596605 - 08/29/05 10:49 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Los_Pepes said:
Afraid of the truth?






You know it. :cool:


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4596620 - 08/29/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
I can only handle so much truth in a 24 hour period. Look at all of the clutter you have produced on page 1 of the politics forum. You should be ashamed of yourself Los_Pepes......or should I say Great_Satan!




Thanks R-F. This and the LSDmistake are doing a fine job of turning this into a swamp of ludicrous rants. Please go away.




I am flattered that you hate me so much. Anyone you hate is a god compared to you.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: LSDempire]
    #4596629 - 08/29/05 10:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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LSDempire said:
Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
God damn you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least diminish your posting to one or two threads a day.




Fuck you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least stop posting! Unlike you, he actually made an intelligent post. Something you have never done.







BU bye


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: LSDempire]
    #4596635 - 08/29/05 10:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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1) NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute someone elses case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot" as LSDempire has done..etc...Then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle someone that doesn't think like you. THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED ... If you have been warned already, you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently...choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.




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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4596697 - 08/29/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

LSDempire said:
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RandalFlagg said:
God damn you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least diminish your posting to one or two threads a day.




Fuck you! Get your spamming ass out of here or at least stop posting! Unlike you, he actually made an intelligent post. Something you have never done.







BU bye




Are you leaving? Thank you!


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: LSDempire]
    #4596714 - 08/29/05 11:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

there is no love coming from you today. watch your Karma, you could get hit by a truck tomorrow.


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    #4596730 - 08/29/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
there is no love coming from you today. watch your Karma, you could get hit by a truck tomorrow.




You can wish all you want.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4596944 - 08/29/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I think something has to be done about the habit some members have of posting various news stories without their own feeback accompanying it. It takes very little intellect to quote a news source without adding your own comments.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Redstorm]
    #4596955 - 08/29/05 11:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I think something has to be done about the habit some members have of posting various news stories without their own feeback accompanying it. It takes very little intellect to quote a news source without adding your own comments.




The same could be said about all the posts you make.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: LSDempire]
    #4596965 - 08/29/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Not quite, sweetheart.


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Re: Salman Rushdie in the news [Re: Redstorm]
    #4597004 - 08/30/05 12:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

It would be one thing if he kept it to a thing or two, but when he fills up the whole board it sucks for all of us.


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