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 RaggaBlood
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 Wet Potency v. Dry Potency 
#451807 - 11/08/01 02:56 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do two equal amounts of wet and dry shrooms have equal amounts of "magic?"...Like an eighth wet and an eighth dry?
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LCid
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 Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: RaggaBlood]
#451815 - 11/08/01 03:06 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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nope shrooms are over 90 percent water
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BeppoMarx
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yes and no but pretty close. an eighth of one ounce (28g) is 3.5 grams and assuming the mushroom is 90% water which based on the strain and conditions can actually vary from about 86% to almost 92% a dry eighth would have wieghed somewhere in the realms of 30 to almost 40 grams. although i do not have the exact answer either, psilocin does oxidize when it hits the air, but trace amounts of psilocin are still present in dried mushies. psilocin also does not cause much of a trip at all. its onset is the initial giddymess of the trip and only lasts an hour at most because teh body recognizes it upon consumption and removes it via your liver quickly. psilocybin gets thru to your bloodstream and gets broken down to psilocin in various places in your body and since its already let loose only that psilocin lingers for the 6-8-10 hour trip. so with this said dried would be almost as potent as fresh, but in my experience fresh ones do give a stronger trip. the only thing i can think of to explain this is that maybe some of the psilocybin somehow gets damaged and either inactive or is activated much slower; although i do not think an enzyme gives a shit wether or not the alkaloid was dry or not, it still should look the same to to your body but im not a chemist, i just took ap chem in high school and i really dont remember a whole lot from my high school daze :). but aniiway, to cut this short yeah i think fresh shrooms give you a better trip.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: BeppoMarx]
#452015 - 11/08/01 06:18 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heh.. sorry, but I think your theory is a little flawed.
Im pretty sure that psilocybin gets converted to psilocin by the acids and enzymed encountered in the gastrointestinal tract. As all other absorbed matter, it makes its way around the little hoses with blood in them. The liver doesn't recognize anything, it just cleans indescriminately.
You guys are also forgetting other alkaloids found in mushrooms such as baeocystin (sp?) and such, which are know to break down rapidly through handling and oxidation.
Not trying to disrespect anyone, just including some things you missed.
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CaptainSquanto said:
Or, since the dry weight is about 1/10, should John take 3.5 dry grams and Jane take 35 wet grams?
Exactly. 
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_OttO_
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There is a higher psilocin content, apperently, in fresh shrooms. Psilocin breaks down easily upon drying of shrooms. Have a look at this link
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HeavyToilet
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An eighth wet is still 3.5 grams.
an eighth ounce is 3.5 grams, it doesn't matter what type of substance it is.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: HeavyToilet]
#4850497 - 10/25/05 01:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said:
An eighth wet is still 3.5 grams.
an eighth ounce is 3.5 grams, it doesn't matter what type of substance it is.
Right, but I was trying to figure out if they'd have the same trip with that specific amount. I think it's not so much the weight, but the content of the caps that matters (duh). And the more shrooms, the more of a trip. So eating, 1/8th of dry would be better than 1/8th of wet as you're actually eating more shrooms, just without all the water.
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wilshire
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: RaggaBlood]
#4850669 - 10/25/05 02:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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nearly all of the psilocin, and some of the psilocybin, is destroyed by drying. depending on the ratio of psilocybin to psilocin in the fresh mushrooms, and how careful you are about drying, you will lose varying amount of the magic by drying. if you take an ounce of fresh mushrooms and dry it, you will end up with around 2.5 grams of mushrooms that contain less active chemicals than the original ounce, but are more potent by weight (and which you can store for longer than a week).
if the timing ever works out such that you have the option of eating them fresh, definitely eat them fresh.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: wilshire]
#4850916 - 10/25/05 03:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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This all varies with mushroom variety. Liberty caps have no psilocin so the difference should be very low. Mushrooms that are high in psilocin will probobly lose potency considerably when dried. Then there is baeostycin and nor-baeostycin which both make the trip stronger, but are found only in small amounts in most mushrooms except for psilocybe baeostycis which has alot. I don't know if this breaks down from drying, but I get the impression that they are pretty stable chemicals.
I wonder about the psilocin thing with some of the last shrooms I had. They were dried cyanescans and only lasted about an hour and a half. Could the psilocybin somehow broken down into psilocin befpre ingestion?
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: wilshire]
#4850931 - 10/25/05 03:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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nearly all of the psilocin, and some of the psilocybin, is destroyed by drying.
Not true. Panaeolus Cyanescens contain a large ratio of psilocin and dried Pan. Cyanescens are still very strong.
Here is a research that also shows that not nearly all of the psilocin is destroyed:
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4850959 - 10/25/05 04:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could the psilocybin somehow broken down into psilocin befpre ingestion?
I don't think that is very likely. The Psilocybin is dephosphorylated by an enzyme in our body. I have no idea what substance that was in contact with the Psilocybin before ingestion could have done the same.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: Annom]
#4851066 - 10/25/05 04:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm. Well it was pretty suprising for the trip to nearly instantly disapear less than 1 1/2 hours after feeling the first effects.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: Annom]
#4852995 - 10/25/05 11:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't understand that chart. where is the data for fresh mushrooms?
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: wilshire]
#4853132 - 10/26/05 12:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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In short, any fresh mushroom loses potency when it drys. Generally fresh will be stronger for this reason. I eat about 45 grams fresh for a trip similar to just over 5 grams dry.
EDIT: 45 g not 60, sorry i was kind of tired last night and the last time I did fresh I did 60.
Edited by Misanthrope (10/26/05 04:29 PM)
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: wilshire] 1
#4853357 - 10/26/05 01:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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wilshire said:
i don't understand that chart. where is the data for fresh mushrooms?
Sorry, forgot to post that one, here it is:
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: Misanthrope]
#4853520 - 10/26/05 02:04 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Misanthrope said:
In short, any fresh mushroom loses potency when it drys. Generally fresh will be stronger for this reason. I eat about 60 grams fresh for a trip similar to just over 5 grams dry.
hmmm. thats very contradicting.
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Re: Wet Potency v. Dry Potency [Re: A0999]
#4854969 - 10/26/05 02:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"potency" can mean either the amount of active substance per weight of material, or it can mean the total active substance.
when you dry mushrooms, you are removing a lot of weight which is *mostly* inactive. dried mushrooms have less total active substance, but more active substance per unit of weight.
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