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OfflineNESpores
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Why Not Use A Microwave?
    #4516277 - 08/10/05 12:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, this is my first post here, so hello every body...

First off I know a damn good ammount about mycology (I'm currently developing a method of cultivating Amanita muscaria in the household, and everything is goin good so far), but alass I cant find diddly squat about using microwaves for sterilizing growing media.
Is there a major no no Im forgetting about or something?
Seeing as how people sterilize spore containers ect in the microwave, why not some soaked bird seed??
Ive never grown cubies before, but the method Im goin to use is with ziplock bags full of wet straw w/ yeast extract and the way I was goin to sterilize was with my pressure cooker ($5 yardsale), and I was going to quickly put masking tape over the puncture wound on teh bag from my needle. (check filedonkey for the full thing)
But if I can just use the microwave, it would definately make things easier.
So once again is there anything wrong with doing that? Does it work? Anybody experianced w/ it?

Thanks a bundle!

PS sorry for ranting so long....


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: NESpores]
    #4516290 - 08/10/05 12:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Because it doesnt keep water well, and doesnt hold heat well, and doesnt do it for extended periods of time, and is just a pain in the ass compared to a PC. When you dont find information on something, generally its for a reason.


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4516391 - 08/10/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ok I see what you sayin, it's just that I thought the microwave had much higher temps than a PC, so I figured it could eliminate the bacteria/spores quicker, say 5-10 min?
Whatever, no biggy.
Thanks for the help!

And to totally change subjects, would any body be interested in buying an Amanita muscaria grow kit if it were available?
The project is going well, and I want to know if it would be worth trying to market or not. (if all works out)
I could atleast sell them in bulk to ethnobotany suppliers maybe...
I dunno, whatta you guys think?


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: NESpores]
    #4516465 - 08/10/05 12:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Amanita's grow from the root system of a tree.

how are you going to try and copy that?


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4516517 - 08/10/05 12:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, the reason they grow from specific tree roots is because they absorb specific nutrients from the root, that the root is absorbing from the ground.
Ive already gotten great mycelial growth with simple sterilized root juice from a birch tree and a few other components.
But my method of inoculation in bonsai trees will remain secret for a while.

But the the bonsai tree thing is kinda obvious, ineficiant, and takes a long time.
Im currently working on an artificial root. The only problem is that the current design requires once a week watering and twice a week fertilisation. :/
Shit, I think what I stumbled apon is pure luck, because Ive been monitoring mycelia growth on a bonsai birch (wont say what kind) and its absolutely incredible.
OK im done ranting for this post
EDIT:
Forogot to mention, I managed to get one reasonably sized A muscaria var formosa form a bonzai eastern hemlock, using my inoculation method that will remain secret.


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Edited by MyLady (08/10/05 12:49 AM)


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: NESpores]
    #4516605 - 08/10/05 01:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Actually gurl, dont feel discouraged. You can sterilize with a microwave.Thats how I will be sterilizing my substrate mix.All you have to do is put it in a casserole dish,cover with plastic wrap and nuke for 5 min.By covering with plastic wrap, You are keeping in the heat and moisture.And no, the wrap will NOT melt.Also, If you want to, after it cools, you could inoculate right thru the plastic and tape over the injection sites.But only if you want to case the mix. :supershroom:


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: FungusMan]
    #4516873 - 08/10/05 03:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

^^Yea...:handth:

Acually...no...

Use the microwave if you want. It's up to you. But Myself and MANY others have had SHIT for results with it. Scat was right and knows his shit.

Microwave's success rates VS. PC's...Way up...

This topic has been posted so many times that I Can't believe ya when you say that you searched and found ZIP. It's a dead topic (cept for blackout :wink: lol)

Gl on whatever you choose. Just don't post back in 2 wks complaining about how it didn't work, lol, Happens ALOT.

Gl and Tc

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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4516968 - 08/10/05 03:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Just don't post back in 2 wks complaining about how it didn't work




actually...

do post back telling us either way.

:smile:


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4517242 - 08/10/05 08:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

scatmanrav said:
Because it doesnt keep water well, and doesnt hold heat well, and doesnt do it for extended periods of time, and is just a pain in the ass compared to a PC. When you dont find information on something, generally its for a reason.




how about "Because microwaves are Eeeevil, they are tools of the Devil!" it's always woked for me


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4517835 - 08/10/05 12:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Mikrowave - 100?C Spores are still happy at this temp if ur unlucky
PC - 121?C Spores cant stand 121?C for long....

Why do u guys think that there r autoclaves(PC) in all the micorbiology labs around the world and not just microwaves....


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: NESpores]
    #4517869 - 08/10/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, that would be pretty nifty.


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: Psilovibe]
    #4519808 - 08/10/05 11:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ahaaaaaaaa. My Lady, To let u know, You can use a microwave to sterlize your mix. Joshua(holoman) himself stated that he does it.I quote now:
           
          how do you sterilize the casing mix?

"I place the proper mix into quart jars with Tyvek filtered lids. I pour filtered water over the casing mix so the mix is a bit on the wet side. I then microwave the jars for at least 2 x 10 minutes. Sometimes I will pressure cook the jars." So there you go sweety, Nuke away!!!
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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: FungusMan]
    #4519874 - 08/10/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

FungusMan said:
Ahaaaaaaaa. My Lady, To let u know, You can use a microwave to sterlize your mix. Joshua(holoman) himself stated that he does it.I quote now:
           
          how do you sterilize the casing mix?

"I place the proper mix into quart jars with Tyvek filtered lids. I pour filtered water over the casing mix so the mix is a bit on the wet side. I then microwave the jars for at least 2 x 10 minutes. Sometimes I will pressure cook the jars." So there you go sweety, Nuke away!!!
:supershroom:




To sterilize CASING MIX. Not bird seed. So no, there you dont go, dont nuke away.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4520032 - 08/10/05 11:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i usually use a PC but it can be done in a microwave if you have to.

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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4520053 - 08/10/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That has promises^^ we'll see how it turns out...still not as good as a PC, BUT if you have to try..


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4520066 - 08/10/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah def. buy a pc if you have the money and the means to use it, but if not i wouldnt mind hearing some other people tell me what happens when they try this, maybe i was really lucky or i stumbled onto a poor mans tek.


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Re: Why Not Use A Microwave? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4522394 - 08/11/05 04:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Scat...She didnt say she was usin birdseed, I quote below:
"Ive never grown cubies before, but the method Im goin to use is with ziplock bags full of wet straw w/ yeast extract". 2times at 10 min high will do just fine.


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