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Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11)
    #4511881 - 08/08/05 10:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

McKinney reopens 9/11


http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/0705/23natmckinney.html

Conspiracy theories implicating president aired at 8-hour hearing

By BOB KEMPER

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 07/23/05

Washington ? Revisiting the issue that helped spur her ouster from Congress three years ago, Rep. Cynthia Mc?Kinney led a Capitol Hill hearing Friday on whether the Bush administration was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The eight-hour hearing, timed to mark the first anniversary of the release of the Sept. 11 commission's report on the attacks, drew dozens of contrarians and conspiracy theorists who suggest President Bush purposely ignored warnings or may even have had a hand in the attack ? claims participants said the commission ignored.


Rep. Cynthia McKinney (upper right) chairs Friday's hearing, reopening the issue that brought her criticism and her 2002 ouster.




"The commission's report was not a rush to judgment, it was a rush to exoneration," said John Judge, a member of Mc?Kinney's staff and a representative of a Web site dedicated to raising questions about the Sept. 11 commission's report.

The White House and the commission have dismissed such questions as unfounded conspiracy theories.

McKinney first raised questions about Bush's involvement shortly after the attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, generating a furious response from fellow Democrats in Washington and voters in Georgia, who ousted her in 2002.

"What we are doing is asking the unanswered questions of the 9/11 families," McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat who won back her seat in 2004, said during the proceedings.

She rebuffed a reporter's repeated attempts to ask her why she would so boldly embrace the same claims that led to her downfall.

"Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian," panelist Melvin Goodman, a former CIA official, said. "And I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom."

Though she left the testimony and questioning of panelists to others, McKinney was the main attraction, presiding over more than two dozen participants, including the author of a book that claims the U.S. government had advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack and allowed it to happen, and Peter Dale Scott, who wrote three books on President John F. Kennedy's assassination.

Georgia peanuts, Cokes and coffee were available to more than 50 attendees, whose casual dress was a decided change from the gangs of blue-suited lobbyists who usually crowd Capitol Hill hearings.

McKinney herself offered witnesses bottled water and found additional trash cans to place around the room.

Nearly a dozen 9/11 enthusiasts lined one side of the room, camcorders at the ready, broadcasting the hearing live over the Internet or recording it for later release. C-SPAN cameras documented the hearing, and a DVD recording of the proceedings will soon be available.

Ten people sat in a section reserved for family members of 9/11 victims.

"Nine-eleven could have been prevented," said Marilyn Rosenthal, a University of Michigan professor who lost a son in the attacks, echoing the premise of the hearing.

Panelists maintained that Bush ignored numerous warnings from the CIA, the Federal Aviation Administration, foreign governments and others who told him before 9/11 that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack the United States and that terrorists were likely to use hijacked airliners as weapons.

But why would the president or his administration want the 9/11 attacks to occur? Power, the panelists agreed.

In the wake of the attacks, the administration was able to greatly expand the president's power and the reach of the federal government, they said, but whistle-blowers and other potential witnesses who could have testified to the Sept. 11 commission about such things were either prevented from speaking or ignored in the commission's final report. Panelists called the commission's report "a cover-up."

"The American people have been seriously misled," said Scott.






" drew dozens of contrarians and conspiracy theorists who suggest President Bush purposely ignored warnings or may even have had a hand in the attack..."

WOW! " drew dozens of conspiracy theorists"!!!!!!


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4514581 - 08/09/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have never doubted for a minute that Bush knew...


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Rono]
    #4514675 - 08/09/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

And a snappy tin foil hat for you


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4514753 - 08/09/05 04:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

and when it is proved that Bush did know?...

I'll look forward to your back peddling...


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Rono]
    #4514766 - 08/09/05 04:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

If bush didn't know that doesn't change the fact that people at the pentagon knew, but touching them is offlimits to our potty trained news media.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Rono]
    #4514829 - 08/09/05 05:08 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Any good detective will ask "who gains" from a crime and will investigate WITH AN OPEN MIND the possibilities. It is quite obvious of the gain to the federal government, George Bush and the military industrial complex that 9/11 precipitated. History is FULL of examples of those in government endangering their citizens for purposes of increasing their own power. To think that somehow, those holding the reigns of power of the most powerful nation in history are immune from engaging in such machinations is dangerously naive, unfitting of a people who claim to be free. It is said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, it appears for many that the price is too high.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Rono]
    #4514989 - 08/09/05 05:58 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Rono said:
and when it is proved that Bush did know?...

I'll look forward to your back peddling...




If this particular meteorite happens to land in your backyard I'll be more than happy to mow your lawn for life. Let me say again TIN FOIL HAT.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4515005 - 08/09/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prosgeopax said:
Any good detective will ask "who gains" from a crime and will investigate WITH AN OPEN MIND the possibilities. It is quite obvious of the gain to the federal government, George Bush and the military industrial complex that 9/11 precipitated. History is FULL of examples of those in government endangering their citizens for purposes of increasing their own power. To think that somehow, those holding the reigns of power of the most powerful nation in history are immune from engaging in such machinations is dangerously naive, unfitting of a people who claim to be free. It is said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, it appears for many that the price is too high.




By this interesting bit of lunacy every news outlet is suspect in every sensational murder. NEWS FLASH "Nicole Simpson was murdered by Court TV executive" Holy shit, what weak crap. Get your panties off your head and fucking prove it.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4515027 - 08/09/05 06:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4515054 - 08/09/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

For an interesting and informative take on this bit of information go here
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005166.php#comments
9/11 Cell Identified In 2000 (Updates)

Today's New York Times reveals that military intelligence had identified the core of the 9/11 cell more than a year before the attacks that killed 3,000 people. Mohammed Atta and three of the other hijackers remained unknown to the FBI, however, thanks to the working policy at the time which forbade intelligence services from sharing information with the FBI and other law-enforcement officials:

More than a year before the Sept. 11 attacks, a small, highly classified military intelligence unit identified Mohammed Atta and three other future hijackers as likely members of a cell of Al Qaeda operating in the United States, according to a former defense intelligence official and a Republican member of Congress.

In the summer of 2000, the military team, known as Able Danger, prepared a chart that included visa photographs of the four men and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the congressman, Representative Curt Weldon of Pennsylvania, and the former intelligence official said Monday.

The recommendation was rejected and the information was not shared, they said, apparently at least in part because Mr. Atta, and the others were in the United States on valid entry visas. Under American law, United States citizens and green-card holders may not be singled out in intelligence-collection operations by the military or intelligence agencies. That protection does not extend to visa holders, but Mr. Weldon and the former intelligence official said it might have reinforced a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law enforcement agency.

A former spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission, Al Felzenberg, confirmed that members of its staff, including Philip Zelikow, the executive director, were told about the program on an overseas trip in October 2003 that included stops in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Mr. Felzenberg said the briefers did not mention Mr. Atta's name.

The report produced by the commission last year does not mention the episode.

The reason for the inability to share information with the FBI, information that might have led them to "connect the dots", in the parlance of the 9/11 Commission, was the wall between intelligence and law-enforcement operations constructed in large part by the Clinton Administration. While FISA, the legislation governing the use of law-enforcement resources for intelligence work, has existed since the 1970s, the 1990s saw a major reinterpretation of that law within the executive branch, prompted by Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick. As Andrew McCarthy noted last year, that reinterpretation had the practical effect of cutting off all communication between the two groups responsible for American security:

Commissioner Gorelick, as deputy attorney general ? the number two official in the Department of Justice ? for three years beginning in 1994, was an architect of the government's self-imposed procedural wall, intentionally erected to prevent intelligence agents from pooling information with their law-enforcement counterparts. That is not partisan carping. That is a matter of objective fact. That wall was not only a deliberate and unnecessary impediment to information sharing; it bred a culture of intelligence dysfunction. It told national-security agents in the field that there were other values, higher interests, that transcended connecting the dots and getting it right. It set them up to fail.

Now we have more proof of that in this report. One might wonder what the 9/11 Commission made of this information. Not much; in fact, the Commission never even heard about it. Farther down in the Times report, we find out that the intelligence official corroborating Curt Weldon tried to tell the 9/11 Commission about the Able Danger operation and its findings:

The former intelligence official said the first Able Danger report identified all four men as members of a "Brooklyn" cell, and was produced within two months after Mr. Atta arrived in the United States. The former intelligence official said he was among a group that briefed Mr. Zelikow and at least three other members of the Sept. 11 commission staff about Able Danger when they visited the Afghanistan-Pakistan region in October 2003.

The official said he had explicitly mentioned Mr. Atta as a member of a Qaeda cell in the United States. He said the staff encouraged him to call the commission when he returned to Washington at the end of the year. When he did so, the ex-official said, the calls were not returned.

Mr. Felzenberg, the former Sept. 11 commission spokesman, said on Monday that he had talked with some of the former staff members who participated in the briefing.

"They all say that they were not told anything about a Brooklyn cell," Mr. Felzenberg said. "They were told about the Pentagon operation. They were not told about the Brooklyn cell. They said that if the briefers had mentioned anything that startling, it would have gotten their attention."

The sensitivity of the data-mining aspects of Able Danger are obvious. The fact that the military had enough information to cull that they could identify potential terrorists, and ultimately so accurately, would have caused an outcry before 9/11 and probably in the bitter partisan atmosphere of the Commission as well. The cautiousness of the agent came from his desire to keep the program from a deluge of criticism and publicity that would have spelled an end to it. However, he and Weldon both assert that the Commission had been told of its existence and its results -- and yet the Commission completely disregarded it.

Why? Could it be that the Commission didn't want to provide any further embarrassment to one of its members -- the same Jamie S. Gorelick whose actions created the obstacles that kept military intelligence from coordinating with the FBI? It would have made crystal clear the damage done to the national-security effort through the hostility of the Clinton Administration towards intelligence efforts. It also would have shown the foolishness of including Gorelick on the 9/11 Commission, an objection made by CQ during the hearings last year, and for the same reasons.

This new information undermines the notion that the 9/11 Commission report provides a comprehensive look at the attacks. It considered the primary reason for the attacks' success as an intelligence failure, while this shows that at least one intelligence agency had it right. It found itself handcuffed by a political policy that forbade them from doing anything constructive with the intelligence they had.

UPDATE: Slate's Eric Umansky offers a healthy dose of skepticism:

As Times mentions in passing, Weldon has a reputation for relying on iffy sources. He recently wrote a much-panned book alleging all sorts of Iranian plots, including that Tehran is hosting Bin Laden. The book relied on one source?a source one CIA official told the Times "was a waste of my time and resources." A "fabricator" recalled another former spook. (The American Prospect has more on Weldon's source troubles.)

As for the former unnamed defense official, he talked to the NYT while "in Mr. Weldon's office." And given the allegations being made, the Times offers a loopy explanation for why the former official isn't named: "He did not want to jeopardize political support and the possible financing for future data-mining operations by speaking publicly." (If his accusations are true, how would his being named undercut future data-mining efforts?)

So, what we have in the NYT are allegations by a congressman known to make wildly dubious claims, and one former defense official who backs up the congressman but for some reason declines to put his good name to the ... facts. On the other side, you have?as the Times mentions up high but only details in, oh, the 29th paragraph?the 9/11 commission insisting that they did look into the program and found nothing.

I suspect that he meant he didn't want data-mining to get too much of a public profile. The program generated a lot of controversy when first proposed in the 90s, and then again after 9/11. Furthermore, if one actually does a search through the entire 9/11 Commission Report, the phrase "Able Danger" appears nowhere. On the subject of data mining, the only reference made to the concept appears on pages 388-9 (emphasis mine):

Inspectors adjudicating entries of the 9/11 hijackers lacked adequate information and knowledge of the rules. All points in the border system?from consular offices to immigration services offices?will need appropriate electronic access to an individual?s file. Scattered units at Homeland Security and the State Department perform screening and data mining: instead, a government-wide team of border and transportation officials should be working together. A modern border and immigration system should combine a biometric entry-exit system with accessible files on visitors and immigrants, along with intelligence on indicators of terrorist travel.

So perhaps the sourcing on Weldon and the Times' corroboration may seem slim to Umansky, but the 9/11 Commission appears to have no credibility at all on Able Danger or data mining. Indeed, they acknowledge that some had been done -- without noting the results -- and recommend that more of it be undertaken. Their claim that they "looked into the program and found nothing" doesn't match at all with their official report. If they found nothing as a result of data mining, why recommend more of it with better coordination? Someone isn't telling the truth -- and so far, I still suspect that the 9/11 Commission has more to lose than Curt Weldon and his corroborating source.

UPDATE II, BUMP to TOP: There's nothing wrong with skepticism, but I would suggest that the Commission has earned just as much of it as Weldon. Just as a further investigation into the credibility into the Commission's response on this point, I searched the 9/11 Commission report again for the phrase "military intelligence". I expected a ream of hits; I got 13. They referenced:

* Pakistani military intelligence (7 refs)
* A demand for coordination between allied & Pakistani MI (p 331)
* A recommendation to keep the DoD's JMIP and TIARA programs as is (p 429, 2 refs)
* A recommendation to disclose overall budgets for MI (p 433)
* A note explaining a recommendation using MI as an analogy (p 566)

Based on this "data mining" of the Commission report, it not only looks like they found nothing, it seems like they didn't ask around about American military intelligence at all. They had more to say about Pakistani military intelligence than our own. Does that sound comprehensive to you?
Posted by Captain Ed at August 9, 2005 07:59 AM


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4515061 - 08/09/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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By this interesting bit of lunacy every news outlet is suspect in every sensational murder.



What? I know this may come as a shock to you (being a rational instead of emotional approach) but in fact it is quite useful to ask who benefits from a crime. If you doubt me, just ask any detective at a local police department.

Quote:

NEWS FLASH "Nicole Simpson was murdered by Court TV executive" Holy shit, what weak crap.



Really, your histrionics are amazingly juvenile.

Quote:

Get your panties off your head and fucking prove it.



Prove what? I have made no assertion (of guilt). Try following along next time, try thinking instead of emoting.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4516014 - 08/09/05 11:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Any good detective will ask "who gains" from a crime and will investigate WITH AN OPEN MIND the possibilities. It is quite obvious of the gain to the federal government, George Bush and the military industrial complex that 9/11 precipitated. History is FULL of examples of those in government endangering their citizens for purposes of increasing their own power. To think that somehow, those holding the reigns of power of the most powerful nation in history are immune from engaging in such machinations is dangerously naive, unfitting of a people who claim to be free. It is said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, it appears for many that the price is too high.




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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4516081 - 08/09/05 11:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Any good detective will ask "who gains" from a crime and will investigate WITH AN OPEN MIND the possibilities. It is quite obvious of the gain to the federal government, George Bush and the military industrial complex that 9/11 precipitated. History is FULL of examples of those in government endangering their citizens for purposes of increasing their own power. To think that somehow, those holding the reigns of power of the most powerful nation in history are immune from engaging in such machinations is dangerously naive, unfitting of a people who claim to be free. It is said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, it appears for many that the price is too high.





maybe you are right????

Hmmm.... "so if Bush did it" then there's no reason to believe that Muslims are angry at us for anything after all, right?

So all the pussies crying about US imperialism pissing off Muslims is wrong.

So we can go ahead and keep spreading capitalism and sending the Jews cash, right?

Because it doesn't really bother anyone?

And we know it doesn't bother them because they aren't really attacking us.

Bush is attacking us....


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4516513 - 08/10/05 12:45 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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maybe you are right????



About examining possibilities, yes I am.

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Hmmm.... "so if Bush did it" then there's no reason to believe that Muslims are angry at us for anything after all, right?



No. A quick examination of U.S. interventionism would support the contention that many could be angry at the U.S.

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So we can go ahead and keep spreading capitalism and sending the Jews cash, right?



We are not spreading capitalism per se, but a perverted system of privilege to corporations and banks, supported by military intervention, domestic debt and the buying off of despots to serve connected interests. It is for lack of a better term, imperial corporatism.

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Because it doesn't really bother anyone?



I thought I smelled somebody being facetious.

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And we know it doesn't bother them because they aren't really attacking us.



You know that is not true.

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Bush is attacking us....



That is ALSO true. Of course there is much complicity.

Now, lest anyone is looking to embark on an emotion laden pubescent rant, consider that I never said that Bush did it. However, it is obvious to anyone willing to objectively examine the issue that there are interests in the U.S. government who would have benefited by not thwarting such a plan should they have been aware of it. In the very least, the very administration that was too incompetent to thwart it continues to be in charge of responding to it at a great cost with little to show but debt, American casualties, the accelerating erosion of our liberties and the animosity of nearly the entire world.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4516615 - 08/10/05 01:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Topic....Rep. Cynthia Mc?Kinney said:

" whether the Bush administration was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001."

Prosgeopax said:

"It is quite obvious of the gain to the federal government, George Bush and the military industrial complex that 9/11 precipitated."


the above quotes confused my "pubescent" mind into thinking you thought bush knew/did it.


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4517243 - 08/10/05 08:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

> And a snappy tin foil hat for you

Hey!  Thats my line!

> and when it is proved that Bush did know?

If it is ever proven that Bush knew, you will have a huge apology from me... until then, you might wanna use the heavy duty tinfoil, lasts longer... :grin:  (I mean for this to be light and funny, not a flame.  I have a lot of respect for Rono and his views.  If anybody is offended, I apologize in advance.)


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4517280 - 08/10/05 08:54 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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The reason for the inability to share information with the FBI, information that might have led them to "connect the dots", in the parlance of the 9/11 Commission, was the wall between intelligence and law-enforcement operations constructed in large part by the Clinton Administration.




:rotfl:...yeah..right..blame it on bill clinton..just because he wasnt an overt fascist to the extent of bushco...like do you really think that the gvots new power to share information will actually be used to stop ppl like mohammed atta..when big govt and big oil stands to gain so much from their actions??...


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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4517432 - 08/10/05 10:57 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yes..everyone who doesn't believe exactly what the government tells us is obviously crazy, because the government has never ever lied to us and there have never ever been any government scandals, ever.

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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Vex]
    #4517526 - 08/10/05 11:30 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bush Knew! (McKinney reopens 9/11) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4518485 - 08/10/05 04:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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The reason for the inability to share information with the FBI, information that might have led them to "connect the dots", in the parlance of the 9/11 Commission, was the wall between intelligence and law-enforcement operations constructed in large part by the Clinton Administration.




:rotfl:...yeah..right..blame it on bill clinton..just because he wasnt an overt fascist to the extent of bushco...like do you really think that the gvots new power to share information will actually be used to stop ppl like mohammed atta..when big govt and big oil stands to gain so much from their actions??...




Actually some interesting news coming out today that the Pentagon knew of Atta and some of his buddies in 1999 but was prevented from telling the FBI because of the Jamie Gorelick led policies within the Clinton Justice Department about separating intelligence agencies.  Also big stink about why this wasn't mentioned in the 9/11 Commission report, on which she sat.  This is starting to stink like Sandy Berger's sock full of documents.  Gotta go back to work but Wheldon might be a good google search for breaking news.


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