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Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180??
    #4509808 - 08/08/05 09:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Are there any issues with exceeding the 180? mark for pasteurizing compost manure? Thermometer is busted. Thanks.


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #4509854 - 08/08/05 09:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Anything over 180 is on the borderline between pasturization and sterilization and you definitley don't want to sterilize. :frown:


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: FooMan]
    #4509858 - 08/08/05 09:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why do I not want to sterilize?


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: FooMan]
    #4509861 - 08/08/05 09:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

exactly as foo said, you don't want to sterlize the poo. it will kill off the beneficial microbes and bacteria that will help your myc out. sterlizing can lead to contams if you are not very sterile in your environment.

go and get a candy thermometer, they are only a couple of bucks but work great.

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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: backupwards]
    #4510008 - 08/08/05 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Beneficial microbes, eh? Cool. Makes sense. Where can I learn more about these particular microbes?


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #4510069 - 08/08/05 12:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

excellent question !

I have searched the Shroomery and MANY offsite websites. I found out about FIREFANG, which is a microbe/fungi that apparently exists in nature and forms a symbiotic relationship with several mushroom species. But exactly how it helps, I could not find


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Boondock]
    #4510090 - 08/08/05 12:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It helps by fighting off contamination. If you sterilize your poo, and do not keep it sterile (meaning you cant spawn it) then it will contaminate. If you want to follow and horse poo teks that involve pasteurization, and mixing the poo and spawn in a bucket, then you cant exceed 180 degrees.

A new therm is onl 5 bucks at the store, 15 if you get the digital one (which I would if I were you and you got it).


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4510093 - 08/08/05 12:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's the beneficial bacteria that help to keep your substrate 'alive' and protect against the molds such as trich. A sterilized substrate is almost certain to contaminate with the green prior to full colonization. For straw and manure, I stick to the low end of the scale at 140F-150F. It seems to work much better. Trich spores are killed by one hour at 120F, so there is no need to go even to 180F.
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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4510106 - 08/08/05 12:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

it seems so counter-intuitive. I mean, right from the first time I got to this site, and started reading, it seemed every other word was either "Lysol" or "Pressure cook for 1 hour @ 15psi" or "sterilize" But what you say makes sense. My last pasteurization of manure, there I was at the stove, staring at the temperature gauge, and constantly adjusting the heat, trying to maintain 180 degrees. Next time, I'm not going to sweat it so much, and shoot for 140-150


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Boondock]
    #4510111 - 08/08/05 12:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Of course everything else must be sterile, but manure is the one exception (well compost too).

Personally, I stick to 160-170...I have a digital themometer, works friggen great...


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4510134 - 08/08/05 12:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #4510159 - 08/08/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've done 160-200 before and it works fine. I think that these magical beneficial microbes might be less of a factor than people think.


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4510168 - 08/08/05 01:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cool, thanks.


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #4510172 - 08/08/05 01:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, firefang is magical, like pixies and elves.


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4510314 - 08/08/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Show me your casing with whitish coloniies of firefang, and I'll believe it :smile:  I've sterilized cow/straw manure before, spawned it ,and it works.  If the box you have to incubate is clean enough that a sterilized casing layer works, why wouldn't manure/poo work sterile?  Sterile is sterile until it's contaminiated.  So, let me ask you this..


If we have STERILE manure/straw and we spawn it with clean mycelia, then put it in a closed container and incubate it, what the fuck is going to contaminate it? Will the magic portal o' pasteurization open inside and punish me for not sterilizing?  This is a MASSIVE myth.  Try this with a batch. Boil some water, a nice roaring boil, drop in your pillow case and let it boil for 45 minutes. Take it out and spawn it.  Neat how it works :smile:


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4510318 - 08/08/05 02:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would ask for some proof of firefang helping mycelia fruit, but I'm sure that it would come something like the "proof" the horse manure is superior to cow manure, in the fashion of "hey i've got pics to show that it worked, clearly it's the only way and if you don't believe me it's your problem".  As did the other issue :smile:


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4510334 - 08/08/05 02:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



A nug of horse poo, soaked, then placed under saran wrap loosely, to hold in the humidity..that is firefang on it.

Wow are you stupid if thats how you took all that. Ok, first off, someone could spawn to sterilized manure, if you keep it sterile the whole time. If you notice I said you cant follow any teks that pasteurize horse poo, because they then say, spawn open air, cover with foil and poke holes in it. It does NOT work if you sterilize the poo. I can post pics proving just about anything I say, so far all youve done is spout of BS, with no proof of anything. I have done it, and your wrong, it failed. Anyone whos gotten sterilized manure to work, will tell you the same thing, you cant follow the same tek as pasteurization, it HAS to be kept sterile.

And since when does posting pictures of how superior horse shit is, mean its the ONLY way. It just means its the best way. And since when are posting pictures of the best flushes, with the most yield, NOT prove that it gives you the best flushes with the best yield? I'm sick of these debates with you though, you obviously are just trying to sound like you have any idea what your talking about..those who understand, will know better, and if they dont, to bad for them.

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And I never said firefang helps mycelia to fruit..but that does not alter the fact that horse manure (or equine of any sort) is the best manure for fruiting off of  :tongue:


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4510492 - 08/08/05 02:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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This is a MASSIVE myth. Try this with a batch. Boil some water, a nice roaring boil, drop in your pillow case and let it boil for 45 minutes. Take it out and spawn it. Neat how it works.
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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4510510 - 08/08/05 03:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You can't compare incubating a sterile casing layer to incubating a sterile substrate. Casing layers don't really contain any nutrients for anything to grow. A sterile substrate is packed with nutrients just waiting for something to grow. Underneath your casing layer is, hopefully, fully colonized substrate which is pretty contam resistant on its own. That's why you can incubate a casing in somewhat unsterile conditions.


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Re: Pasteurization of Manure Compost Q: Exceeding 180?? [Re: FooMan]
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