Home | Community | Message Board


High Mountain Compost
Please support our sponsors.

Feedback and Administration >> Shroomery News Service

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Amazon Shop for: Pink Floyd

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
Invisibleveggie

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 13,985
Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA
    #4508950 - 08/08/05 01:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Venezuela leader accuses DEA of espionage
August 7, 2005 - seattlepi.nwsource.com

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday accused the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration of using its agents for espionage, and said Venezuela was suspending cooperation with the U.S. agency.

Chavez, who regularly accuses the U.S. government of plotting against him, said "the DEA isn't absolutely necessary for the fight against drug trafficking."

U.S. Ambassador William Brownfield said last week that the United States had hoped to maintain cooperative anti-drug efforts in Venezuela, and that without them "there is only one group that wins, and that group is the drug traffickers."

But Chavez maintains that the DEA has been using the fight against drugs as a pretext to gather intelligence on Venezuela.

"The DEA was using the fight against drug trafficking as a mask, to support drug trafficking, to carry out intelligence in Venezuela against the government," Chavez said.

"Under those circumstances we decided to make a clean break with those accords, and we are reviewing them," Chavez said, referring to the cooperative agreements under which the DEA has operated in the South American country.

Prosecutors last month opened an investigation into the DEA in Venezuela.

"We have detected intelligence infiltration that threatened national security and defense," Chavez said.

He acknowledged that Venezuela is a major transit point for cocaine moving from Colombia to the United States and Europe. But he said Venezuela's own armed forces have made important advances against trafficking.

As for the DEA, he said specifics of his government's decisions will be announced soon. Chavez's comments were the most specific to date on the accusations against the DEA.

Chavez criticized U.S. policy on drugs, saying that while the United States is the world's top consumer of drugs, its government does little to try to lessen consumption.

He also criticized the CIA and FBI of not doing enough to catch major drug kingpins in the United States. "How strange they don't find them," he said.

The relations between Venezuela and the United States have been marked by tension during Chavez's more than six years in power. Chavez accuses the U.S. government of backing a brief coup against him in 2002, while U.S. officials have dismissed such accusations as ridiculous.

Despite frequent harsh words between the governments, Venezuela remains a major supplier of oil to the United States.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleveggie

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 13,985
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4516026 - 08/09/05 11:27 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Chavez Frias not losing much sleep over the USA's intent to "punish" Venezuela
August 9, 2005 - vheadline.com

VHeadline.com commentarist Oscar Heck writes: On Sunday August 7, 2005, after Chavez voted, he gave a press conference. Some reporters asked ridiculous questions, particularly one reporter from the BBC and one from El Universal, one of Venezuela's most anti-Chavez newspapers. I don't know how Chavez does it ... to have the patience to answer people who ask senseless and absurd questions, as though they were being "so smart," but in fact, making fools out of themselves.

Anyhow, one of the questions led to Chavez speaking about Venezuela's timely divorce with the DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency).

According to an August 8, 2005 Vheadline.com article, "The President argues that it all boils down to a matter of national sovereign ... 'we have been checking up and it appears that the DEA was using the war on narco-trafficking to support narco-trafficking even and undertake intelligence work against the Venezuelan government' ... Hitting out at the USA, Chavez Frias maintains that it is the biggest world consumer of drugs accusing its government and institutions of doing little to stop consumption, despite having the mighty CIA and other intelligence organs."

I agree 100% with Chavez.

I believe that the DEA and other US-based organizations such as USAID, the American Center for International Labor Solidarity, the Center for International Private Enterprise, the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs are fronts for the CIA ... and that a part of the CIA's job is to assure that 1) drug exports to the USA are not halted 2) that this drug trade is controlled by the US government.

Consider the following:
Why is it that the biggest consumer of "illicit" drugs is the USA?

If the USA considers itself to be an "expert" in "intelligence" work and law enforcement, why then doesn't it curb the consumption of drugs within their own country, or thwart the networks which deliver and distribute the drugs within their own country?

US culture is based on the "value" of capitalism. One of the many definitions of "capitalism" is: An economic, political and social system based on private ownership of property, business and industry, and directed towards making the greatest possible profits for successful organizations and people. US culture spans government, businesses, institutions, child-rearing, education, health-care, law, the application of justice, religion and almost all aspects of life, including the criminal sectors ... thus capitalism spans all the above. If the drug trade is one of the most profitable industries (perhaps, apart from the oil trade and weapons manufacturing), then it is highly probable that the drug trade is a business which must be kept alive in order to guarantee present and future profits for its investors. Note that the above definition of capitalism states, "directed towards making the greatest possible profits." What better way is there to make "the greatest possible profits?"

The possible reasons to not slow or halt the drug trade are based on profits. Human life and the well-being of people is secondary to profits ... as is clearly witnessed by the fact that there exists a massive capitalist military-contracts industry, headed principally by the USA. Thus, the well-being of US citizens is secondary to the massive profits which are made by allowing the drug business to thrive and to proliferate.

The USA has another highly profitable business venture ... privately-operated prisons. If there are not enough "criminals" to fill jails, then this business will go belly up. Thus, the jails must be filled ... principally with darker-skinned US citizens who are caught with a gram or two of US-government-provided crack cocaine (per capita, how many whiter-skinned cocaine-consuming business executives, lawyers, doctors, or politicians are presently in US jails?). I say US-provided because I believe that the US government is deeply involved in assuring that the drug trade continues to exist.

The US government has spent an estimated $3.3 billion on Plan Colombia, the US-led pretend-"war" on drugs in the Andean region of South America (Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela). $3.3 billion of US tax payers' money represents about $10 per US citizen. Why is the US government not using this money to educate its own people about drugs, or to build rehab/aid centers? $.3.3 billion is a lot of money. If the US government spent all this money in operating drug rehab/aid centers, it could have operated 66 rehab/aid units per state (at about $330,000 each per year over 3 years) ... or a total of 3300 drug rehab/aid centers throughout the country. If each center treated or aided 20 people per day over a 3 year period they would have treated/aided about 72 million US citizens! More astonishingly, if the US government had used this money for a national televised campaign against the use of drugs and if every minute of airtime cost $500, the US government could have aired 10 one-minute spots every day in every one of the 50 states for a period of about 36 years!!! ($3,300,000,000 ? $500/minute ? 50 states ? 10 minutes air time/day ? 365 days). So, does it really make sense for the US government to spend $3.3 billion of taxpayers' money on Plan Colombia?

Another factor to consider is that portions of Plan Colombia are probably implemented by "special forces." If anyone has met special forces people, one will know that most of these people are mercenaries, mostly sociopaths who are bloodthirsty and who have little or no conscience. Most of them work for the fun of it (killing people) and for the money (lots of it). Most are extremely dangerous people and many of them would sell their own mothers for a few dollars. I have met several of these people in Kuwait during the Gulf War, in Egypt and in Canada, where some of them hide after their time in service has expired. If these special forces people are exposed to the possibility of making massive amounts of money by working within the drug trade, they will ... and guess where their best customers are?

Now, consider the following. The US government is capable of stopping an army like that of Saddam Hussein's, yet it "cannot" stop the influx of "illegals" from Mexico and Central America. Why is this? In my view, and in many people's views, it is because it is economically feasible to let them into the country. They provide the cheap slave-labor to US manufacturers and agricultural producers. It increases profits, thus contributing to the enhancement of the capitalist US economy. This is what capitalism is all about, profits. So, if the US government is capable of not stopping the "invasion" of "illegals" coming into the USA for reasons of profit, then it is highly probable that the US government is taking exactly the same approach with drugs coming into the USA. It is a matter of profits. It is not about the welfare of US citizens. If it were, the US government would stop the flow of "illegals" so as to protect US citizens from the massive manufacturing and agriculture job losses which they are experiencing today. Also, consider the massive profits which are made by the millions of middlemen in the drug industry within US territory.

There is another reason why the "war" on drugs is a sham. The US government needs to desensitize as many US citizens as possible. One method is to brainwash them through television, news, etc. Another method is to make them work hard so that they have as little time as possible to think for themselves. Additionally, another tactic is to provide people with drugs such as cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, prescription drugs etc. in order to keep as many people as possible "comfortably numb," as the Pink Floyd song says. This numbness keeps the majority of people quiet, indifferent and easily brainwashable. These are tactics which are typically used by cult leaders in order to control their flocks.

So, why stop the drug trade?

A person on a web page called "Colombia Guide" states it quite well:
"Raising the troop cap in Colombia is just wrong. Plan Colombia and the so-called war on drugs is just another way to control another country. In my opinion the 3.3 billion (or even a part of it) should be used for humanitarian purposes in Colombia and to help those addicted here in the U.S. Cut off the demand for drugs, and watch the supply dwindle. Fumigating people, land, and animals doesn't stop anything, it only hurts the people. Hasn't the government learned anything from Peru and the balloon effect? And from what I have learned over the years, Bush appears to me to be anti-Latin America overall (most recent: Cuba and Venezuela. Bush and his people have made it very dangerous to be an American abroad."

The DEA's mission statement says (amongst other things):
"The mission of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is to enforce the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States and bring to the criminal and civil justice system of the United States, or any other competent jurisdiction, those organizations and principal members of organizations, involved in the growing, manufacture, or distribution of controlled substances appearing in or destined for illicit traffic in the United States ..."

Note the arrogance:
"... is to enforce the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States ..."

The DEA's mission statement continues (my comments in parenthesis):

"In carrying out its mission as the agency responsible for enforcing the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States, the DEA's primary responsibilities include:"
"Investigation and preparation for the prosecution of major violators of controlled substance laws operating at interstate and international levels." (Major violators like the US military, which continues to use a Napalm-equivalent?)

"Investigation and preparation for prosecution of criminals and drug gangs who perpetrate violence in our communities and terrorize citizens through fear and intimidation." (Criminals like the US military and its leaders -- Bush and Condoleezza included -- which continue to terrorize Iraqi and Afghani citizens and which continue to perpetrate violence?)

"Management of a national drug intelligence program in cooperation with federal, state, local, and foreign officials to collect, analyze, and disseminate strategic and operational drug intelligence information." (Strategic "intelligence" like the intelligence which determined that Saddam Hussein had weapons of "mass destruction," thus justifying the assassination and the maiming of thousands of innocent Iraqi women and children and the almost total destruction of the Iraqi people's infrastructures: water, sewage-treatment and electricity? )

"Seizure and forfeiture of assets derived from, traceable to, or intended to be used for illicit drug trafficking." (Like the seizure of Iraqi assets? Thieves, that is what you are!)

"Enforcement of the provisions of the Controlled Substances Act as they pertain to the manufacture, distribution, and dispensing of legally produced controlled substances." (Like high-profit-generating amphetamines, anti-depressants and nerve-soothing drugs which millions upon millions of US citizens consume on a regular basis?)

"Coordination and cooperation with federal, state, and local agencies, and with foreign governments, in programs designed to reduce the availability of illicit abuse-type drugs on the United States market through nonenforcement methods such as crop eradication, crop substitution, and training of foreign officials." (Crop eradication while contaminating and poisoning innocent townspeople, children, foetuses and drinking water? You don't care at all, do you?)

"Responsibility, under the policy guidance of the Secretary of State and U.S. Ambassadors, for all programs associated with drug law enforcement counterparts in foreign countries." (Yes, policy guidance form the US State Department ... the same people who are spreading lies about Venezuela on a continuous basis!)

Not surprisingly, the US government has already retaliated (like spoiled brats) against Chavez' decision to stop collaborating with the DEA.

A Reuters report published in the usually anti-Chavez Washington Post on August 8, 2005, states:
"The United States is considering punishing Venezuela with sanctions for breaking off work with U.S. anti-drug agents in the world's top cocaine-exporting region, the State Department said on Monday."

Punish?

Is Venezuela your child?

Who wants a parent like you anyways?

And ... who are you to "punish" others? God?

"Next month, the State Department must by law judge if Venezuela has failed to cooperate in the drug war, a decision that could trigger a range of sanctions including blocking cheap credit for businesses and counternarcotics aid." (Venezuela does not need your cheap credits. I bet that those credits have strings attached, such as, "on the condition that US-based firms are hired for the contracts." Venezuela does not need you. You are not the God-sent, know-it-all or be-it-all race!)

"Venezuela, which Washington has sanctioned for failing to combat human trafficking, would then be blacklisted along with countries such as Myanmar. " (Go ahead and blacklist Venezuela! So what? Almost no world nation, except for England, takes the US government seriously anymore.)

" 'Failure to cooperate only benefits narcotraffickers,' he said." (No, failure on the part of Venezuela to collaborate with the criminal DEA means less profits for the USA because Venezuela will make sure that substantially fewer drugs pass through Venezuelan territory on their way to the lucrative US market!)

The Vheadline.com article (the one we started with in this article) ends with: "Based on these facts, the President contends that he has decided to annul the agreement with DEA ... 'we are reviewing it and will take decisions ... we don't need the DEA in our war on narco-trafficking.' "

Exactly!

And I don't think that Chavez is losing much sleep over the USA's intent at "punishing" Venezuela. If people in the USA only knew what coca growers think (but won't say) about the USA! Meanwhile, I have this to say to the DEA:

Yankees go home ... and stay home!


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblebukkake
LEFT WING NUT
Male

Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Classified
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4523293 - 08/11/05 07:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The United States government isn't going to do shit to Venezuela. Venezuela is one of the US' top oil suppliers and Hugo Chavez would reply by probably cutting off their oil supply. And you know that would really send the US government into a frenzy - by cutting off oil.

"Plan Colombia" has also been a complete and miserable failure, and a waste of fucking money. With the only winners being the hired spraying companies.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleveggie

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 13,985
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4525468 - 08/12/05 05:43 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

U.S. DEA agents have been selling cocaine seized in raids: Venezuelan Gen. Melvin Lopez Hidalgo
August 11, 2005 - vheadline.com

Venezuelan Armed Force (FAN) Inspector General Melvin Lopez Hidalgo accuses the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) of trafficking seized drugs in Venezuela.

Continuing the running controversy between the US State Department, DEA and the Venezuelan government, the General says the decision to break off relations was not taken lightly ... it was the result of complaints from the National Guard (GN) and a probe into irregularities on the part of DEA agents.

As president of Defense Council of the Nation Secretariat (Codena) , Lopez Hidalgo says DEA agents spirited seized drugs to other countries alleging that on several occasions the DEA reported seizures but the amounts were changed ... "what happened with the difference of kilos? ... it shows a procedure that is not legal in Venezuela."
Venezuelan law allows monitored deliveries but not controlled deliveries to ensare narco-traffickers.

Controlled deliveries, the General says, leads to further crime by instigating and generates corruption because both drugs and money are involved.

Lopez Hidalgo insists that DEA managed drugs and money in Venezuela without the knowledge of Venezuelan anti-drug agencies ... the DEA, the General maintains, has not answered the charges as yet.

The General criticizes the fact that the DEA demanded that Venezuelan agencies inform them of what they are doing but did not offer information ... it was strictly a one way street.

Another source of concern raised by the Venezuelan government is the impossibility of bringing a DEA agent to justice if s/he is commits wrongdoing in Venezuela.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleveggie

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 13,985
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4602505 - 08/31/05 05:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Venezuela softens stance on U.S. ties, drugs
August 29, 2005 - Reuters
By Patrick Markey

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Monday his government would renew cooperation with Washington in the fight against drug trafficking in an effort to improve ties strained by diplomatic squabbling.

Chavez's conciliatory gesture followed weeks of sniping between Venezuela and the United States after the left-wing leader suspended cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and accused its agents of spying.

Addressing reporters after meeting with U.S. activist Rev. Jesse Jackson, Chavez said his government wanted to ease tensions between his government and the administration of President Bush.

"Despite of the differences and the tense relations..., we are willing to continue working with the government of Mr. Bush in the fight against drugs," Chavez said with Jackson sitting by his side.

"We have no intention of damaging relations any further on the contrary we want to improve them in politics and in economics."

Relations between the United States and Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil exporter, have chilled since Chavez came to power in 1998 ushering in social reforms and forging close diplomatic ties with Communist Cuba.

Washington portrays Chavez as a menace to the region, but the former soldier counters that his self-proclaimed revolution is an alternative to failed U.S. polices in South America.

Chavez often accuses the United States of plotting to kill him. Tensions were heightened further last week when conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson called on Washington to assassinate Chavez. Robertson later apologized and U.S. officials called his remarks inappropriate.

Chavez held private talks with Jackson on Monday, during which they discussed Robertson's comments, bilateral relations and initiatives for the poor.

"What we discussed is the need for a detente in the hostile rhetoric," Jackson told reporters.

After Venezuela suspended ties with the DEA, the United States revoked the U.S. visas of three top Venezuelan military officers, including the National Guard narcotics squad chief, who Washington said were suspected of drug trafficking.

Following Robertson's comments, Venezuelan authorities said they had temporarily suspended permits for foreign missionaries while they tightened regulations on religious groups entering the South American country.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineNashbar
just strange.... on drugs
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3,536
Loc: strawberry field
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4603538 - 08/31/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

hizzah, hizzah... let the cocaine run like an avalanche into the valleys of my nose...  let the politicians squabble while I'm getting high  :smile:

"'coke' for some, tiny American flags for others"

Improvised Simpons quote


--------------------
:pacman: :mushroom2:



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleveggie

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 13,985
Loc: Flag
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4671854 - 09/17/05 12:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Venezuela Denies Drug Smuggling Charge
September 16, 2005 - phillyburbs.com

CARACAS, Venezuela - A U.S. decision to brand Venezuela as a country failing to do enough against drug smuggling drew a sharp denial from the Venezuelan government Friday, aggravating tensions between Washington and one of its top oil suppliers.

President Bush criticized President Hugo Chavez's government Thursday, saying the South American nation had "failed demonstrably" to make a concerted effort to block shipments of illicit narcotics to the U.S. and Europe last year.

"Mr. Bush's government knows perfectly well the strong action by our country, the cooperation it offers and the impressive volume of drugs seized," Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said in a statement. "But none of that counts because what matters to the U.S. government is the political disqualification of Venezuela for the purpose of future aggressions."


The U.S. is the top buyer of Venezuelan oil, but tensions have run high between Washington and Chavez - a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

The White House determined that despite an increase in seizures, Venezuela hasn't done enough to halt a growing flow of drugs - mainly from Colombia to the United States and Europe. By U.S. estimates, 165 tons of cocaine passed through Venezuela last year.

Rangel said the United States, as a leading consumer of illegal drugs, had no "moral authority" to pass judgment.

Rangel said the U.S. government congratulated Venezuelan authorities last year when they seized 43 tons of drugs, and so far this year seizures have netted 59 tons.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineLearyfan
It's the psychedelic movement!
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 29,766
Loc: High pride!
Last seen: 59 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: Venezuela suspends cooperation with DEA [Re: veggie]
    #4673184 - 09/17/05 08:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I like Venezuela more and more every day.

lol @ Bush saying "demonstrably"






--------------------
--------------------------------


Mp3 of the month: The Loose Enz - The Black Door



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

Amazon Shop for: Pink Floyd

Feedback and Administration >> Shroomery News Service

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Venezuela: No anti-drugs pact with US veggie 1,438 16 09/02/08 01:55 PM
by EntheogenicPeace
* Venezuela Increasingly A Conduit For Cocaine veggie 674 0 10/27/07 11:02 PM
by veggie
* Venezuela to help finance Bolivia's coca production veggie 1,060 2 02/08/07 07:30 PM
by EntheogenicPeace
* Revealed: Chávez role in cocaine trail to Europe bodynotdead 1,326 3 02/08/08 02:05 PM
by Seraph in Blue
* Venezuela bombs drug runways near Colombia border veggie 586 1 03/28/08 11:08 PM
by FurrowedBrow
* Venezuela Steps Up Efforts To Thwart Cocaine Traffic veggie 504 0 04/07/08 10:44 PM
by veggie
* U.S. raps Venezuela, Myanmar on illegal drug trade Wronguy 1,413 3 09/19/06 09:33 PM
by trippybiotch0X
* Chavez demands US 'drug apology' veggie 1,353 3 12/21/06 02:10 PM
by ExplosiveMango

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: motaman, karode13, Alan Rockefeller, naum, Mostly_Harmless
2,076 topic views. 1 members, 8 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Mycohaus
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2016 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.132 seconds spending 0.003 seconds on 14 queries.