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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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once and for all
    #4506918 - 08/07/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

there have been many discussion about good and bad, let's settle this..

If you kill me, or hurt me or torture me, are you doing something wrong (outside the fabricated concept of good and bad), and explain


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4506955 - 08/07/05 02:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

No because you might be killed by people who see humans as a normal food source. If my religion involved ritual torture then I might morally torture you. Good and bad is culture centric.


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4506977 - 08/07/05 03:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
If you kill me, or hurt me or torture me, are you doing something wrong (outside the fabricated concept of good and bad), and explain




yes, but only in that hurting you would make me unhappy.

my basic stance on morality is this: seeing other people happy makes me happier, and seeing other people unhappy makes me unhappier. thus if i go around pissing people off, i'm going to be less happy, so i try to be nice.

i don't believe in absolute standards of good and bad or right and wrong. i just do as i see fit at the time.


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Re: once and for all [Re: alsey]
    #4507051 - 08/07/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what if you feel joy in hurting me? and even if you don't feel joy, don't you have a right to bring disconfort to yourself?


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4507315 - 08/07/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

if hurting people made me happy, then i would try to hurt people.

i guess i see everything in the world as connected. there is no discrete 'me' and 'you', they are just illusions created by my ego. so to hurt 'you' would be to hurt 'me' and everything else. but then what is hurt? that is an illusion as well IMO. perhaps not so much an illusion, but a label.

i guess really, i just do what i feel like. there is no right and wrong to me.


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Re: once and for all [Re: alsey]
    #4507321 - 08/07/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

non of it matters, if you can't feel it, and it has no effects on you whatsoever (what a stupid word) then you aren't really being hurt.


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Re: once and for all [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4507369 - 08/07/05 05:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If my religion involved ritual torture then I might morally torture you.

Um, if you DO visit, I may pass on that hike in the remote desert... *trembles*


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4507888 - 08/07/05 08:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

How is the question of something being right or wrong any different or less fabricated than asking if it's good or bad? If you say that the concepts of good and bad are irrelevant, what's left to make the decision of right or wrong?


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Re: once and for all [Re: GulGen]
    #4507973 - 08/07/05 08:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I think that many people beliefe that good and bad is not fabricated, even thought they won't admit it, even ot themselfs. I'm trying to challenge that


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4508910 - 08/08/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

is it possible to exist as a subjective being without values?


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Re: once and for all [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4509772 - 08/08/05 08:37 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

look at animals and plants. Humans are the only beings that have an idea of "objective"


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4509794 - 08/08/05 08:52 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

let's settle this..
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:rotfl: :rofl2: :rofl: :lol: :tongue2:


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Re: once and for all [Re: Icelander]
    #4509797 - 08/08/05 08:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what's so funny? :laugh:


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4509993 - 08/08/05 11:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Come on, :grin: As if we could settle something "once and for all" :rofl:


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Re: once and for all [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4510118 - 08/08/05 12:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It is both, and.. :smile:


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