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The devil
    #4504580 - 08/06/05 08:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well let me start off by saying i am not a religous person. i dont believe in god, nor do i believe in the devil. But none the less, i still think its (the stories) fucking intertaining...

i wanted to know about the history of the devil. How he was thrown out of heaven ect...

i believe there is a book some guy wrote a long time ago that talked about that, but i cannot remember for the life of me the name of it. All i can think of is Dante's Inferno, which i know isnt the book im talking about...

anyhow i think this is an interesting topic, if someone could help me with some info, it would be great.

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Re: The devil [Re: chaospilot]
    #4504974 - 08/06/05 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you should start with the story of death itself, of Yama, who was the God of most Indo/Arabic civilizations of the ancient world. Prior to stories of God, stories abounded of death and conquering death, or being conquered by death.

These stories involved the sacrifice originally of Buffalos, then later bulls, and then became synonymous with horned beasts.

You can catch the drift from here. It's really fascinating.

Later yet, the death cults became replaced with more benign deities, to suit the times.

You can understand where this is going. If people didn't die then they would live so long as to forget about gods or they would become them.

...or something

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Re: The devil [Re: chaospilot]
    #4504976 - 08/06/05 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Milton's Paradise lost?

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Re: The devil [Re: chaospilot]
    #4504984 - 08/06/05 11:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Three reasons Satan is bullshit:
1. It is unclear how Satan, in the traditional notion, could defy or defeat an omnipotent opponent. Spinoza argued that it is unclear why an all-powerful good God allows Satan to do evil deeds and go unpunished, and then turns around and punishes humans who are victims of Satan's evil deeds to an eternity of hellfire.
2. The existence of supernatural beings conflicts with naturalism. It is unclear how Satan, which is supernatural, interacts with the human world. It is unnecessary to explain bad events such as the Black Plague or more modernly, AIDS or 9/11 by appealing to Satan. Furthermore, from a humanist point of view, it is unnecessary to require a supernatural source for human behavior that arises from normal animal urges like lust, adultery, theft, and lying.
3. Satan's origins can be fully explained and traced through comparative mythology.

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Re: The devil [Re: spud]
    #4505068 - 08/06/05 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed. I recall reading that the concept of dualistic deities ("good god" versus "bad god") began with the ancient Babylonians. I'd start my search there.....

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Re: The devil [Re: chaospilot]
    #4505949 - 08/07/05 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"...But none the less, i still think its (the stories) fucking intertaining...

i wanted to know about the history of the devil. How he was thrown out of heaven ect..."

First of all, I will assure you that I would not be deemed as a bad person.

That being said, the topic of the devil is a very hot one in my mind...  I guess you could say, pun intended. :hellfire:

I wouldn't be too convinced of some stories that you hear, if I were you.

Check out this illustration...

Kelly was a very bright, well mannered, soft spoken girl throughout highschool.

She was a really sweet girl.  It could easily be said that she was "daddy's little girl".

At 16, however, she developed a little more than the other school girls.

Kelly grew the biggest set of  '( .  Y  . )'  that any of the girls have seen on such a young woman!

Lemme tell ya...  The guys sure noticed...  :eek:

Oh boy!!!!

Y'know, I've heard that Kelly was quite the slut!!!

If a guy wanted ANY action, all they had to do was call upon Ke-Lee "The Big Gunz" Slutbag.

I mean, even after a decade of graduating from Academia High, I still run into people who bring up that slut, Kelly!!!!

What a slut!!  I mean everybody knows that she's a slut... 

Stories are just that...  stories.

Even history, as we know it, is not necessarily a complete account.

It is written as only part of what it could have been...  And who knows what additions have been made.

When you get your info, just keep this in mind...

Nos confido phasmatis occultus in vicis postulo nostrum tutela donatus futurus.

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