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Offlinemikeytwice
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Princeton Noosphere Project
    #4499669 - 08/05/05 01:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone here heard of the Princeton Noosphere Project? Information is available here:

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

I'm wondering what people make of it. It's interesting in some respect and there might be something there, but on the other hand, I've read some valid criticisms of it. What I find more interesting and testable than shifts in random number generators during "world event" type situations are controlled experiments in which the participant tries to shift a random number generator or randomly falling metal balls in one direction or another. The researchers claim that there are small but statistically significant changes, and that's enough to make me lend an ear.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4499708 - 08/05/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Total horsehit. Some random numbers fluctuate (that is what they do) then an ad hoc significance is linked to it, as if a steroid-pumped athlete hitting a ball is a pinnacle milestone in man's history.

It is dressed in scientific garb, but there is nothing remotely scientific about it.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: Swami]
    #4499774 - 08/05/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

my understanding is that supposedly, the random numbers consistently fluctuate more than they ought.


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Offlinemikeytwice
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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4509874 - 08/08/05 10:09 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

But even if they consistently fluctuate, do they consistently fluctuate in a statistically significant manner according to the will of participants?

Swami: Your comments don't prove your point so well - What specific objections do you have to the researchers' methods?


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4511007 - 08/08/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

But even if they consistently fluctuate, do they consistently fluctuate in a statistically significant manner according to the will of participants?




yes, that's my understanding of the claim


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4511050 - 08/08/05 06:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hah. I've heard that project mentioned numerous times by professors poking fun at Princeton's student body.

Reading now.


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4511110 - 08/08/05 06:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There are over six billion people performing thousands of acts per day. When the numbers fluctuate "in a significant manner" whatever that means; some idiot in the project scans the daily events, and with no link whatsoever, determines it is because a home run record was set.

Woo hoo! This is so flimsy and poorly presented that there is really nothing to investigate. It is self-debunking.

Every day here in Vegas somebody hits a good-sized jackpot. Using a similar method, one would look at the winner and ONLY THEN determine it was because she was carrying a red purse or some other nonsense.


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: orechron]
    #4511118 - 08/08/05 06:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not really familiar with the "noosphere project"- is that run by the students? i remember looking at PEAR- parapsych research conducted by two members of their faculty i think, a clinical psych prof and a physicist.

let us know what you conclude orechron


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4511158 - 08/08/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

From what I understand of the project, the significance is when the random numbers appear less and less random. Basically they measured the statistical probability of the numbers becoming less random and even forming patterns. The probability decreases as the numbers become less random, and the researchers see that small probability as a possible indication of something happening in mass consciousness.


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Re: Princeton Noosphere Project [Re: moog]
    #4511168 - 08/08/05 07:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think what Swami is saying is that they see the fluctuations, and THEN they start looking for something to correlate it to, which is flimsy.


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