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Preventing poo stalls
    #4496170 - 08/04/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

To avoid moisture pooling, which seems to lead to stalls and fermentation with h/poo, I've been placing 1/2" of dry verm on container bottoms first, and this seems to help tremendously. Mix hydrated poo + spawn in a clean container seperately, then place into your fruiting tray w/ dry verm on bottom. I know a lot of people have issues with the bottom not finishing up and getting nasty on them, so this should help quite a bit. Just throwing this out there as a helpful tool when working with poo.

This isn't a total solution for complete colonization, but it can give you a major advantage if all your other ducks are in order (spawn ratio/moisture content/temps)


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: Holydiver]
    #4496268 - 08/04/05 08:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I would think that DRY Verm layed under a MOIST substrate - would result in the Verm pulling a LOT of moisture out of the substrate.

Other than higher than optimal incubation temperatures and/or overly wet substrate, I believe the major factor is that most substrates are to compact, which can lead to anaerobic conditions setting in - which often leads to at least partial fermentation on the bottom 20% area of the substrate (causing stalls).

So, you may be right. A CHUNKY airy thin Verm layer under a substrate would allow for more aerobic conditions in the bottom area of a substrate.

I have very high fiber airy substrate, so it has not been a problem for me. One thing I learned was, as you add spawn, make sure you don't COMPACT the substrate. Secondly, once spawned, do not smack the tray down on anything, which tends to compact the substrate.

The other factor is, once incubating - don't touch, bump or move the tray, as that can also cause a substrate to compact.

This time of year (Hot August nights) often leads to higher than optimal incubation temperatures, which can lead to fermentation & stalling, from excess heat.


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: agar]
    #4496309 - 08/04/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Some very good points there; compacting substrate is a bad idea. As with any substrate, I'll take too dry over too wet. I think most people around here over hydrate their poo (just a guess). Suprisingly, the verm doesn't wick up as much as you might think, or at least in my experience, that is.


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: Holydiver]
    #4496353 - 08/04/05 08:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

True, a dry Verm layer under a substrate that is overly moist, would have a compensation factor - that could help cure on overly wet substrate.

I agree on most getting a substrate TO MOIST.

Sadly, it is a learning thing that takes some blunders - before you can learn to judge moisture content - by hand - correctly. But, that is a part of getting GOOD at what you do.


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: agar]
    #4496361 - 08/04/05 08:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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before you can learn to judge moisture content - by hand - correctly. But, that is a part of getting GOOD at what you do.




Most definitely, once you know exactly what that ideal moisture content is for casings/substrates, it's like riding a bike; you'll never forget it.  A most valuable skill to hone.  :thumbup:


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: Holydiver]
    #4496564 - 08/04/05 09:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

One thing you can do, is buy a KELWAY PH & MOISTURE meter probe.

Then - test the substate moisture content.

If it is between 70 & 74%.... you are in like Flynn.


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: agar]
    #4496769 - 08/04/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

punch a few drain holes in bottom of your casing tray. (i think i got this hint from you agar). :grin:


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: deanofmean]
    #4496837 - 08/04/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

LOL,  :wink:.

I place sterilized polyester landscape cloth in tray bottoms that have a series of small drain/air holes in it, to resolve excess substrate moisture problems.

Since I got a Kelway ph/moisture meter & went to smaller trays (12 quart - nested), I don't anymore.


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Re: Preventing poo stalls [Re: deanofmean]
    #4496857 - 08/04/05 10:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, drain holes probably make a lot more sense, you're right.  But what can I say...tons of verm + poop, and extra time on my hands = these type of oddball projects.  :crazy:


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