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Wrapped hay bails?
    #4494996 - 08/04/05 02:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

(i posted something like this last night in advanced mycology, which i now realize was the wrong place for this.)
I have a friend who makes large round hay bails and then wraps the green hay with plastic wrap, after the bails sit in the sun for a year they produce a sweet smelling product called "haylage" (similar to silage which is fermented corn stalks).
I was wondering if it could be possible to somehow introduce large quantities spawn (or perhaps a large quantity of liquid mycelium) to the inside of these bails, allow it to completely colonize the hay, and then cut holes in the plastic to allow natural light to induce fruiting and allow mushrooms to come out of the side of the bail. Could something like this be at all feasable? If so how could one hydrate/ pasteurize this much hay without destroying the integrity of its handy wrapper? Maybe with a hot water heater or steam radiator? any input is appreciated


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4495039 - 08/04/05 02:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

How big are these bundles of hay?

I would just be worried of how I would sterilize them, if they are too big.


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: Heinous_Anus]
    #4495071 - 08/04/05 02:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If it is outside, usually you don't have to worry about contams, especially if it doessn't already get moldy.


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: j_db69]
    #4495109 - 08/04/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen this question answered a few times already if you do a search. I don't remember a successful one though.


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4495136 - 08/04/05 02:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the hay bails are about 5 feet high and 4 feet across, they look like giant marshmallows when wrapped in the white plastic wrap
i've seen what the hay inside looks like after sitting in a field all year, and there wasnt any visible mold. it smells sweet like molasses and is slightly darker than dry hay. because it is bailed and wrapped before the hay dries it has about the same moisture content of soaked/pasteurized straw (maybe just a little dryer)


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4495185 - 08/04/05 03:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The reason you don't see any mold is because the hay is to damn dry to grow any. It would also be to dry to grow and mushroom fungis. And hay is shitty for growing shrooms from what I hear you want straw. basically the answer is no unless you can find a way to insert water without the "hay" turning green before the mushroom fungi's can take hold.

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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: Fungi_x]
    #4495206 - 08/04/05 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, thats true. I forgot about the moisture content.

Yes, it would be incredibly dry. Probably not enough for any myc to form.


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4495278 - 08/04/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

because the hay is cut down, bailed, and wrapped all in the same day it retains most of the moisture the hay had when it was growing in the field. i think the reason that it doesnt mold is because of the lack of oxygen due to it being sealed with plastic wrap


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4495880 - 08/04/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This will not work.
Haylage is produced by fermenting hay and is preserved by acid produced by the fermentation process. Haylage has a pH of about 5, which is not really conducive to growing mushrooms.


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: shobimono]
    #4495913 - 08/04/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. Wouldn't work. However, you might look into oyster mushroom growing on straw bags. it's basically a log of pasteurized straw in a plastic tube. maybe this is where you got the idea from. What is the purpose of Haylage?


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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4500660 - 08/05/05 05:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

haylage is fed to cattle, its a really easy way to bail up your fields without having to worry about hay getting rained on while its drying, they dont have to be stored in a barn (you can just leave them right in the field), and cows LOVE the shit - they eat the hell out of it which = more weight which = more $$
your probably right that this wont work, i just looked up some "straw log" teks, and they sound like they'd work a lot better. gives more surface area for fruiting, and probably wouldnt generate heat like a bail this size would
thanks for putting this idea out of my head, on to bigger (smaller i guess) and better things
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Re: Wrapped hay bails? [Re: buggers]
    #4500725 - 08/05/05 06:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Just so you don't have all negative "it won't work" replies, here is how it would work.

Use a 55 gallon drum to pasteurize the straw, pack it in the hay-wrap tightly with spawn, compress it, and seal it.  I've seen lines of those white marshmallows three miles long and I've always thought how cool it would be to fruit one.  I think I'd be known as the king of straw logs :smile:


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