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Invisiblep4kSouL
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My Theory to What Happens When we Die...
    #4491228 - 08/03/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Well so there are many different believes on what happens when we die, Ive never really agreed on there being a greater being and having a path "such as god, going to heaven or hell". My believes are more specific towards the buddhist believes. Some of your mite believe that when we die we go to nirvana and never experience life again, but wait if we experience nirvana when we die what did we experience before we were born??? When we die is it possible that we be born again? One of my friends has a good theory that when you die "YOU SEE THE WHITE LIGHT" and that white light is you being reborn back into the world as another organism. I think that is a very cool theory of his and I think its very possible. We need to stop looking at things as things. Many people believe that they are humans observing the world as it ALREADY is. But that is not necessarily true, there is no way to see what the world really is because there is no way to get out of our reality producing brains. The world could be one big connected hologram with currents of bits of energy that we project as THINGS in our perception. When we die we could simply connect with another energy of "living organism", or grass or tree or cloud or whatever. We become the energy that surrounds us, we become what is newly born. So when we die we don't really die, we never die, there is no such thing as death...


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4491362 - 08/03/05 06:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think that you can't exist without your brain.  Once you die and your brain "dies" then you no longer exist.  At that point it doesn't really matter how long it takes (not like you can sense time when your tool for doing such doesn't exist anymore) but I believe, eventually, parts of your being (your atoms basically) will be reconstructed into plenty different beings and possibly many different brains.  You are a conposition of many "dead" beings that lived before you.

Thats why we are all connected... to everything.  We can't die because matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be reconstructed into different chemicals and such.  Technically we are not dying, we are recycling :smile:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4491423 - 08/03/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well, what about a light shining through a slide

the picture, the experience of self, cannot exist without the slide... true

but when the slide dissolves, what's left of the light?


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: deff]
    #4491609 - 08/03/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

While one is dead (the slide is removed) one cannot experience existance (light). This doesn't mean that the world no longer exists, just that this one person can no longer experience it (the slide--his body--has been removed). However, parts of this original brain/body (the slide) will be recycled into other beings until at one instant they will experience self-conciousness again (some animal, possibly only humans). At this point the slide has been replaced and the light can be seen again. Although the light never stopped existing, we stopped being able to sense it.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4491666 - 08/03/05 07:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

My theory is that when we die, we go back to what we were before we were conceived. In other words, we return to that eternity of nothingness where we cease to exist except in the imaginations and memories of others.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Ravus]
    #4491704 - 08/03/05 08:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

One way to see it is you stay on the dimension you are on. When people die they don't die. When people die in your life they just leave the reality you are in but they continue on the pathway they are on. They don't think they have died but your paths are no longer going in the same direction.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4491711 - 08/03/05 08:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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p4kSouL said:
Well so there are many different believes on what happens when we die, Ive never really agreed on there being a greater being and having a path "such as god, going to heaven or hell". My believes are more specific towards the buddhist believes. Some of your mite believe that when we die we go to nirvana and never experience life again, but wait if we experience nirvana when we die what did we experience before we were born??? When we die is it possible that we be born again? One of my friends has a good theory that when you die "YOU SEE THE WHITE LIGHT" and that white light is you being reborn back into the world as another organism. I think that is a very cool theory of his and I think its very possible. We need to stop looking at things as things. Many people believe that they are humans observing the world as it ALREADY is. But that is not necessarily true, there is no way to see what the world really is because there is no way to get out of our reality producing brains. The world could be one big connected hologram with currents of bits of energy that we project as THINGS in our perception. When we die we could simply connect with another energy of "living organism", or grass or tree or cloud or whatever. We become the energy that surrounds us, we become what is newly born. So when we die we don't really die, we never die, there is no such thing as death...




my theory of what happens when we die is that I don't know what happens


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4491826 - 08/03/05 08:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
my theory of what happens when we die is that I don't know what happens



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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4491842 - 08/03/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Whatever happens at death is pointless to consider. Why waste one's life worrying about death instead of living life? Worry about now and death will take care of itself.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4492428 - 08/03/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

^^ Words to live by... and die by.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4493722 - 08/04/05 02:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yOU DIE EVERY TIME... :smile:

FUCK THAT CAPS..


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Gomp]
    #4495138 - 08/04/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I meant 'light' as in undefined awareness, consciousness, "soul", whatever.

The slides are the physical 'vessels' for this, all of course very impermanent, and really all connected (like a sponge :cool:)

Now of course this is hypothetical... but I'd go so far as to say everything is.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4495221 - 08/04/05 01:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You have not posited any theory.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495237 - 08/04/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
You have not posited any theory.



I was about to point this out. A theory should be able to make testable predictions based on observable phenomena. This is merely speculation.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Silversoul]
    #4495349 - 08/04/05 01:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Seems we can never even get past the basics here.

We should have a training forum where folks learn the rudimentary terms and definitions, and if you pass a test, you get to graduate to the advanced forum.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495469 - 08/04/05 02:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this IS the training forum!
When you pass your test, the terms and conditions of which you are not allowed to know, you will be given a new password which takes you to the advanced forum.

I, of course, am here in an instructional capacity. Though exactly WHAT I am teaching cannot be revealed prior to your achieving advanced status.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Veritas]
    #4495487 - 08/04/05 02:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I am an enforcer for the top-secret advanced forum, and now because you even revealed it's existence and forced me to expose my true identity; your privileges will be revoked for an indeterminate time.  :thumbdown:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495494 - 08/04/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

VE haff vays of making you reconsider...


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Veritas]
    #4495653 - 08/04/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I must remind you that you are Irish and NOT German.  :rolleyes:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495670 - 08/04/05 02:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a European mutt, actually.  My accents are applied as appropriate to the situation!  :smirk:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Veritas]
    #4495701 - 08/04/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I just tricked you into publicly admitting your impure lineage. Please report immediately to the disintegration chamber.  :syringe:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495732 - 08/04/05 03:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:grenade:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Veritas]
    #4495775 - 08/04/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

R.I.P Veritas. You complied for the greater good of society and your sacrifice was not in vein.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495807 - 08/04/05 03:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ihr werdet alle zur?ckgestuft !


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4495809 - 08/04/05 03:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:cryariver: :hissyfit: :crymeariver:


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4495819 - 08/04/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i prefer to not argue points like this, cus i figure i will learn soon enough, im going to just explore as many possiblities in this life that i can, even if it is my last, or if it is my first


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: iambobby]
    #4495847 - 08/04/05 03:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

iambobby said:
One way to see it is you stay on the dimension you are on. When people die they don't die. When people die in your life they just leave the reality you are in but they continue on the pathway they are on. They don't think they have died but your paths are no longer going in the same direction.




How do you know this?

I say that death is like a dreamless, deep sleep that you never wake up from (or experience) because based on human logic and observations that's as far as we know. After somebody dies, they never again respond. We can see that the brain is the center of the ego and consciousness because by damaging the brain, the person loses consciousness and the ego, such as in comas and vegetative states. So if the brain dies and rots away, according to this observations and evidence we can say that all consciousness, ego and life (except for bacteria and worms) end inside that organism which dies.

Many people make up pseudoscientific ideas, and I constantly wonder where they pull these from. Theories require evidence and logic, not simply telling people things that are unsupported by any observations.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Ravus]
    #4496661 - 08/04/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah there's no sense in worrying about something that you cannot avoid, but it's still fun to think about wondering what happens when you die, as in a third-person point of view.

I tend to have more of a Buddhist outlook on life/death these days....


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4496833 - 08/04/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

we go where we came from
what are we?


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4496839 - 08/04/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

FreedomFight said:
I think that you can't exist without your brain.  Once you die and your brain "dies" then you no longer exist.  At that point it doesn't really matter how long it takes (not like you can sense time when your tool for doing such doesn't exist anymore) but I believe, eventually, parts of your being (your atoms basically) will be reconstructed into plenty different beings and possibly many different brains.  You are a conposition of many "dead" beings that lived before you.

Thats why we are all connected... to everything.  We can't die because matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be reconstructed into different chemicals and such.  Technically we are not dying, we are recycling :smile:




I swear, you took the words right from my mouth.

I have thought of this so many times before.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Heinous_Anus]
    #4496990 - 08/04/05 09:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think we all "chose" to be born.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4497140 - 08/04/05 09:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

FreedomFight said:
I think that you can't exist without your brain.  Once you die and your brain "dies" then you no longer exist.  At that point it doesn't really matter how long it takes (not like you can sense time when your tool for doing such doesn't exist anymore) but I believe, eventually, parts of your being (your atoms basically) will be reconstructed into plenty different beings and possibly many different brains.  You are a conposition of many "dead" beings that lived before you.

Thats why we are all connected... to everything.  We can't die because matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be reconstructed into different chemicals and such.  Technically we are not dying, we are recycling :smile:




Yet those brains that went before you, how are you connected to them? Your current brain has no more connection to these people through simply having their molecules than it has to the ancient galaxies these molecules were once part of, or the Big Bang from whence this matter came. The individual molecules seem to carry nothing to our current brain other than the potential to build the brain itself.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4497371 - 08/04/05 10:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

FreedomFight said:
Once you die and your brain "dies" then you no longer exist.  At that point it doesn't really matter how long it takes (not like you can sense time when your tool for doing such doesn't exist anymore) but I believe, eventually, parts of your being (your atoms basically) will be reconstructed into plenty different beings and possibly many different brains.  You are a conposition of many "dead" beings that lived before you.




Actually,the atoms in your body go through a complete turnover about once every seven years.
Quote:


Thats why we are all connected... to everything.  We can't die because matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be reconstructed into different chemicals and such.  Technically we are not dying, we are recycling :smile:



Some scientists claim that some day the whole universe will cease to exist, kind of remains me of Einstein?s quote:`Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy.?


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4497455 - 08/04/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think we all "chose" to be born.

Think?

THINK?!

or

Parrot something you read in the New Age section of the bookstore?

Is this a random idea, something original that has some basis that you care to share or mere appeal to literary authority?


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4497495 - 08/04/05 10:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking the same thing, but I've long ago lost faith in people having rational explanations or even simple shreds of evidence for their "spiritual" statements.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Ravus]
    #4497554 - 08/04/05 11:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Digression: Sorry, but IMO your new avatar doesn't "cut it". You have had some cool ones in the past.

"Spiritual" people love to talk about "awakening". Without understanding where your beliefs came from, it is impossible to assess their validity, and - if necessary -to awaken and discard them.

Borrowing unsubstantiated ideas is weak and passive and certainly not a sign of higher understanding.


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Re: My Theory to What Happens When we Die... [Re: Swami]
    #4499062 - 08/05/05 07:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I think we all "chose" to be born.

Think?

THINK?!

or

Parrot something you read in the New Age section of the bookstore?





Nope.

Quote:


Is this a random idea, something original that has some basis that you care to share or mere appeal to literary authority?




Yep, just an original, random idea. Don't be jealous.


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