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InvisibleDiploidM
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Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic
    #4488650 - 08/03/05 06:40 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

On a couple of occasions so far you've written of your hope that I may one day experience what I hold suspect and you know to be true. This isn't a challenge or a dare. It's an honest request in that context:

MarkostheGnostic :I hope that one day you'll experience the Transcendental (not merely the neurological)

Tell you what Markos, since you seem to have taken a passing interest in my soul, and I am genuinely a seeker of the Truth:

You posted some time ago about a pentagram or some such you once drew on the ground during some sort of mystical proceeding. You stated that you photographed this design on the ground several times from different angles and in different lighting, but in each case, the camera managed to record only the blank ground; the design would not register in the slightest.

I know you're in Miami; I'm in Fort Lauderdale 30 minutes from you (20 the way I drive). I'd be willing to drive down to you (or meet you somewhere and pay for the facility) with my Nikon and shoot some pics if you would reproduce the situation you wrote about. If you like, I would more than compensate you for your time and effort, whatever the final result.

Alternatively, if you're no longer into that kind of stuff, can you refer me to someone you know who would be willing to help this heathen see the light? I would be willing to travel anywhere in the United States or Canada (or other select terrorism-free countries) entirely at my expense and would compensate anyone who helps for their time and effort, whatever the final result.

If what you claim happened in your case can be reproduced, you will have summarily converted me.

In either case, I would post the resulting pics and a diary here for others to see the results for themselves.

What do you say?  :mushroom2:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495758 - 08/04/05 05:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I kinda figured this would be the response; it further confirms my belief that mystics and mysticism are all talk, wishful thinking, and (self) deception.

Well, I can't be faulted for not being open and willing to try anything in an honest search for the truth, whatever it may be.  :confused:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495763 - 08/04/05 05:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: :rotfl:


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495790 - 08/04/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"If you have the psychological tendency to reify ideas, you?re a
believer. Even though you say, proudly, ?I?m a skeptic; I don?t
believe anything,? it?s not true. Check up: you?re a believer. Just two or three questions will prove that. Do you think some things
are good? Do you think some things are bad? Of course you do.
Those are beliefs. Otherwise, what is belief?"


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4495796 - 08/04/05 05:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Diploid:
Do you cling to your belief so tightly that you disparage the honest good will of another because you find it threatening? Guess what? Skeptic you may claim to be, but if you are defending beliefs you are a believer...not a skeptic.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4495836 - 08/04/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't cling.

I believe that which I see and experience with a clear mind and which I can confirm.

I hold suspect everything else; double for irrational and h-i-g-h-l-y unlikely claims made by others who refuse to or are unable to show me those claims in person.

If you claim to own the Brooklyn Bridge, don't bitch when I ask to see the deed.  :confused:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495859 - 08/04/05 05:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"I don't cling."

Then why the defensiveness? That post struck me as being defensive.

"I kinda figured this would be the response"

This indicates you were not searching for a response, but looking for a cheap method to attack someone's credibility. If you bear the truth there is no need to feel threatened. Your request did not come off as serious, but condescending.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4495900 - 08/04/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This indicates you were not searching for a response, but looking for a cheap method to attack someone's credibility.

Thanks for the analysis.

That response is the honest truth. For years in this forum I've asked those who claim to do magic to show me. To a one, they all decline.

So, I am no longer surprised by a new claimant declining hence my stated expectation that this one would be too. The declines don't even disappoint me any more. They're expected.

Sorry if you don't like that. Show me someone who will demonstrate what all they claim, and I'll apologize, shut up, and sit down. Until then, I'll stay the course.

If you bear the truth there is no need to feel threatened.

Thanks again for the analysis.

Words on an electronic board cannot threaten me.

The fact is that Markos has on three occasions so far made comments along the lines of hoping that I see the light some day. He happens to be nearby so, here I am looking for the light. If his hope in insincere, well, don't fault me for that.

Your request did not come off as serious, but condescending.

Thanks yet again for the analysis.

The request was entirely genuine, your interpretation is off.

I offered to travel just about anywhere. I offered to pay all expenses. I was careful to word the request respectfully. Had I gotten a reply, I would have followed through. Tell me, what part did I get wrong?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495906 - 08/04/05 06:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Touchy...touchy....touchy...


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4495908 - 08/04/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

GRRRR! :razz:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495922 - 08/04/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Um...not to be too practical here, but are you sure he was on the forum between Wed. at 3 a.m. and now? Perhaps a little patience is called for.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495930 - 08/04/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I thought Mark would have at least responded to your post.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and considered your offer in good faith. I would have opened up the offer to any other mystical demonstration, and not just the photo thingy. But that is a minor point.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495941 - 08/04/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you feel obliged to believe everything written here? Why are others obliged to offer proof or evidence? I bet Markos doesn't care if you believe his story or not. He was just sharing an experience he had that he had no explanation for.

I had a similar one with that screwy pentagram in it.

I walked into a friends house without them knowing I was coming over. They shouldn't have even been expecting me since we parted ways. I saw a lit red candle with an upside down pentagram etched in it and asked them what the hell they were doing.

They said their other roommate Rob jerked them around with something so they did some incantation ritual to blow the the tire out on his motor cycle.

5 minutes later the phone rang and I picked it up. It was Rob. The other two didn't have cars, they lived in the city. Rob asked if I would come get him. He said his bike blew a flat.

When I told the other two one started shaking and the other scrambled to throw the candle in the garbage. They begged me not to tell Rob about it.

I can't explain wtf happened that night.

If Markos gave up playing around with that stuff, I give him credit. It's not cool. If he chose not to play around with it again to appease you diploid, I would respect him for that.

Diploid, why not pick up some books on dark witch craft and play around with them for yourself?

Why feel that you are in a position to criticize something you have zero first hand experience with. Spend a year in deep study of it and then start making criticisms. They don't mean much coming from someone who never even earnestly practiced it.


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (08/04/05 06:34 PM)


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Veritas]
    #4495942 - 08/04/05 06:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

are you sure he was on the forum between Wed. at 3 a.m. and now?

Yes: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/4490641/an//page//vc/1


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4495949 - 08/04/05 06:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you feel obliged to believe everything written here?

I like to take people at their word (sometimes to my own detriment).

I bet Markos doesn't care if you believe his story or not.

Maybe not, but then why keep posting wishes and hopes that I might some day "experience the Transcendental (not merely the neurological)"?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4495968 - 08/04/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

ahhhhhhhh. Well, hue, he's got us there. That was sort of a condescending thing for Markos to say to Diploid.

I'm pulling out of it. :seeya:


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid] * 1
    #4496009 - 08/04/05 06:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If he chose not to play around with it again

I offered to fly anywhere if I got a referral.

why not pick up some books on dark witch craft and play around with them for yourself?

Why does everyone assume I'm a blind skeptic jumping on things I have no knowledge about.

I have read books, I have drawn pentagrams, I have gone to seances, I have tried Santeria, I've studied astrology, I can calculate your natal chart by hand with only an ephemeris and a calculator, I have tried psychics, palmists, church, fill in the blank.

I've read the Gita, the Koran, parts of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Old Testament, the New Testament (in Spanish and English), the Vampire Bible, the Satanic Bible, assorted Masonic books, more I can't think of at the moment...

I HAVE DONE IT ALL! Not one single time has any of it ever panned out or even hinted that there was anything to it. NEVER!

And here, I try once again and come up empty.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4496015 - 08/04/05 06:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl: :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: Diploid]
    #4496047 - 08/04/05 07:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If you are coming up empty then you have reached enlightenment. Budha says being empty is the way to nothingness.

So what does Nirvana feel like?:lol:


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Re: Diploid's Sincere Request Of MarkostheGnostic [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4496104 - 08/04/05 07:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So what does Nirvana feel like?

Stawberry cheescake.  :thumbup:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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