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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492648 - 08/03/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492661 - 08/03/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the link to the homosexual site, I will make sure to read all this bullshit. Muslims would have the publisher tortured to death, but that's OK.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492672 - 08/03/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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This leaves us with two choices: accept a Taliban style government, or end the hypocritical war on drugs.




What the hell? You're like a walking encyclopedia of logical fallacies.

"The War on Drugs restricts freedoms. The Taliban also restricts freedoms. Therefore the Taliban is equal to the War on Drugs."

"Frogs are green. Leaves are green. Therefore leaves are frogs."


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492677 - 08/03/05 10:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about about?

Are you going to answer my question:

Do all Muslims condone violence against non-believers?

And if not, who are the people who are non-violent, yet call themselves muslims?

And there are non-violent verses in the Koran:

"Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them' (4: 90).

Certainly, this is contradictory to other parts of the koran, but this doesn't make it invalid. It really just means that the whole thing is nonsense, so whatever the individuals believe is what dictates what they believe.

Then again, you're obviously not interested in debating. When someone offers criticism of your points, you don't address them, you just call them "homosexual" and pretend they don't exist. Are you incapable of forming a proper rebuttal?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492679 - 08/03/05 10:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Phluck said:
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This leaves us with two choices: accept a Taliban style government, or end the hypocritical war on drugs.




What the hell? You're like a walking encyclopedia of logical fallacies.

"The War on Drugs restricts freedoms. The Taliban also restricts freedoms. Therefore the Taliban is equal to the War on Drugs."

"Frogs are green. Leaves are green. Therefore leaves are frogs."




Your logic is so flawless, how could I counter this claim?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492683 - 08/03/05 10:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Lets take a look at gay rights in muslim nations:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007379.php


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492689 - 08/03/05 10:48 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492701 - 08/03/05 10:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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What the hell are you talking about about?




Islam, wtf are you talking about?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492730 - 08/03/05 10:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Protest against Saudi torture and executions
Join our protest on the International Day Against Homophobia.
By OutRage News Service

Tuesday 17 May 2005
12 noon to 2pm
Saudi Arabian Embassy, London
30 Charles Street, London W1J 5DZ (nearest tube Green Park)
This protest is part of the worldwide mass protests to mark the first International Day Against Homophobia. Simultaneous protests will take place in 50 cities across the globe.
Saudi Arabia has been declared "the world's most homophobic country" following recent mass arrests, torture and flogging of gay Muslims: 35 of the 105 men arrested in March after allegedly attending a "gay wedding" have been sentenced to floggings, some up to 2000 lashes (often fatal). They and the other 70 arrested men have been sentenced to one year?s jail, where they are likely to suffer torture and rape.
Saudi Arabia?s unelected leaders enforce a fundamentalist version of Islam. They impose the death penalty for homosexuality. Several gay Muslims have been beheaded in recent years.
In spite of these atrocities unleashed on gay Saudis, and the wider human rights abuses perpetrated by the Saudi dictatorship (including the denial of rights to women and religious minorities), the country?s fundamentalist rulers enjoy friendly relations with the UK and the US. Tony Blair and George Bush sell weapons to the Saudi torturers and murderers.

It is time the Saudis were named and shamed.

Derek Lennard, chair of the Gay & Lesbian Humanist Association (GAHLA) is co-ordinating the UK's participation in IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia). He is urging all LGBT and human rights groups to turn out on May 17 to ?register our protest against the brutal maltreatment the Saudi Arabian regime metes out to its LGBT citizens.?
The IDAHO protest at the Saudi Embassy is supported by OutRage! and the Gay & Lesbian Humanist Association. We urge a wide cross section of LGBT individuals and organisations to join us on Tuesday.
Amnesty International is also appealing for intervention against the Saudis:
?It is hoped Tuesday?s protest will help draw public attention to the abuse of gay human rights in the Saudi kingdom, and prompt international sanctions by the EU and the UN,? said Brett Lock of OutRage!
Relevant Links:
Amnesty International briefing on Saudi Arabia's latest attack on gay human rights.


Most recent articles on this topic:
Iran executions 28 July 2005
Iran executes gay teenagers 21 July 2005
Gay Turk hunger striker wins concessions 6 July 2005
Poland fails EU human rights obligations 8 June 2005
Gay Saudis tortured, flogged and executed 17 May 2005

Previous articles on this topic:
Gays join anti-war protest 20 March 2005
Solidarity with Iraqi women 8 March 2005
Candlelight vigil and wreath-laying 11 November 2004
Lesbian activist murdered in Sierra Leone 5 October 2004
?Homophobic sadism? of US troops in Iraq condemned 28 May 2004

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492748 - 08/03/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"They bounced me around the room as if playing a violent game of pass-the-parcel. I was pushed to the floor and repeatedly kicked in the backside, crotch and stomach. My head was held up and I was slapped on the back of the head and face, around the ears.

They took inordinate care not to hit me in the front of the face.

They threatened me with the use of electric shocks. I was told they would continue to apply this pressure until "We have put you in the right way," and "we get your mind right."

There was a desk and chairs in the room. From time to time they would sit me down, the Greaser beside me, aggressively caressing and fondling me, a means of sexual intimidation he was to use often."

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492756 - 08/03/05 10:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Are you going to answer my question:

Do all Muslims condone violence against non-believers?

And if not, who are the people who are non-violent, yet call themselves muslims?

And there are non-violent verses in the Koran:

"Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them' (4: 90).

Certainly, this is contradictory to other parts of the koran, but this doesn't make it invalid. It really just means that the whole thing is nonsense, so whatever the individuals believe is what dictates what they believe.

Then again, you're obviously not interested in debating. When someone offers criticism of your points, you don't address them, you just call them "homosexual" and pretend they don't exist. Are you incapable of forming a proper rebuttal?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492770 - 08/03/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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LSDempire said:
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Phluck said:
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This leaves us with two choices: accept a Taliban style government, or end the hypocritical war on drugs.




What the hell? You're like a walking encyclopedia of logical fallacies.

"The War on Drugs restricts freedoms. The Taliban also restricts freedoms. Therefore the Taliban is equal to the War on Drugs."

"Frogs are green. Leaves are green. Therefore leaves are frogs."




Your logic is so flawless, how could I counter this claim?




Well, you could try and explain to me how because the War on Drugs restricts some freedoms, this makes it the same thing as something that restricts far more freedoms.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492793 - 08/03/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you going to answer my question:

Do all Muslims condone violence against non-believers?

And if not, who are the people who are non-violent, yet call themselves muslims?

And there are non-violent verses in the Koran:

"Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them' (4: 90).

Certainly, this is contradictory to other parts of the koran, but this doesn't make it invalid. It really just means that the whole thing is nonsense, so whatever the individuals believe is what dictates what they believe.

Then again, you're obviously not interested in debating. When someone offers criticism of your points, you don't address them, you just call them "homosexual" and pretend they don't exist. Are you incapable of forming a proper rebuttal?




This would aply to muslims harming other muslims, if you are not a muslim you have no rights. Do you understand or not? If there are muslims that are non-violent they are not following their "profit's" example.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492805 - 08/03/05 11:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492833 - 08/03/05 11:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The contents of the scriptures are immaterial. What people actually believe is not.

Why do you, a non-Muslim, give a shit whether or not Muslims take the Koran 100% literally. Do you consider Christians who don't take the bible 100% literally to be Christian?

Do you have anything against the many, many people who call themselves Muslims, yet oppose violence? If so, then why don't you attack other religions whose scriptures contain passages condoning violence?

It seems pretty obvious to me that if your objection to Islam is violence, you should only oppose those Muslims who condone violence.

What's the point of attacking Muslims who oppose violence? Isn't that just being a bully?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492844 - 08/03/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

008.006 Disputing with thee concerning the truth after it was made manifest, as if they were being driven to death and they (actually) saw it.

008.007 Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;-

008.008 That He might justify Truth and prove Falsehood false, distasteful though it be to those in guilt.

008.009 Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you:

"I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks."

008.010 Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts: (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

008.011 Remember He covered you with a sort of drowsiness, to give you calm as from Himself, and he caused rain to descend on you from heaven, to clean you therewith, to remove from you the stain of Satan, to strengthen your hearts, and to plant your feet firmly therewith.

008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

008.013 This because they contended against Allah and His Apostle: If any contend against Allah and His Apostle, Allah is strict in punishment.

008.014 Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire."

008.015 O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.

008.016 If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

008.017 It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah?s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
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A single page of Koran and see the vulgarity of Muhammad's thinking here. Carefully check those verses one by one. How many times you meet Kill, mutilate, hell, fire...
And remember, this is just a random page of Koran!!


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492851 - 08/03/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Obviously you don't understand my point at all.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492864 - 08/03/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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The contents of the scriptures are immaterial. What people actually believe is not.

Why do you, a non-Muslim, give a shit whether or not Muslims take the Koran 100% literally. Do you consider Christians who don't take the bible 100% literally to be Christian?

Do you have anything against the many, many people who call themselves Muslims, yet oppose violence? If so, then why don't you attack other religions whose scriptures contain passages condoning violence?

It seems pretty obvious to me that if your objection to Islam is violence, you should only oppose those Muslims who condone violence.

What's the point of attacking Muslims who oppose violence? Isn't that just being a bully?




Muslims who oppose violence? Who? Where? Are you talking about the muslim women who are raped and beaten by their "husbands"


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    #4492870 - 08/03/05 11:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492887 - 08/03/05 11:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Obviously you don't understand my point at all.




Your point is, you believe Islam is a religion of peace. Am I wrong?


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