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OMG, this is so funny.. 
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 Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480067 - 08/01/05 04:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Marijuana Anonymous uses the basic 12 Steps of Recovery founded by Alcoholics Anonymous, because it has been proven that the 12 Step Recovery program works!
Since when? 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
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Fliquid
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What a crock. 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480077 - 08/01/05 04:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi fliquid!
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The secret to being funny is to say smart things stupidly, or is it stupid things smartly? Whatever..it's not rocket surgery...or something like that.
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Hello mon cheri.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480187 - 08/01/05 05:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha MA reminds me of Half-Baked, "would you suck dick for Marijuana?"
"Why no [chuckle]"
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Toqom]
#4480189 - 08/01/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480199 - 08/01/05 06:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"It is not necessary to acquire a major God Consciousness to be able to cease using. All we need is to maintain an open mind and a hopeful heart."
sounds like a stoner wrote this
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Todcasil]
#4480204 - 08/01/05 06:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fun for all, whats wrong with that? 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480593 - 08/01/05 11:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Dimmy]
#4480620 - 08/01/05 11:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i love their little puns,hahaha....
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Dimmy]
#4480622 - 08/01/05 11:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Marijuana Anonymous World Services
P.O. Box 2912
Van Nuys, CA 91404
Toll Free 1-800-766-6779
A box of shit is on it's way.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: TYL3R]
#4480852 - 08/01/05 12:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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YES! Finally a cure for a non-addictive drug, I have been waiting my whole life for this!
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You guys might think its funny but some of the people in there are having trouble with their cannabis use and its affecting their lives negatively. They are trying to help each other with their problems and its all voluntary. They aren't advocating that it should be illegal or anything like that so I don't see what you guys have against it. Anything pleasurable can be addicting to certain people just because it's not physically addicting doesn't mean it can't present a problem in someones life. Psychological addiction can be just as bad if not worse then physical addiction. Allot of times after junkies have with drawn they relapse due to their psychological addiction. For a group of "laid back" potheads who are open minded you seem pretty hostile to people who have recognized they have a problem and are working to correct it.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4480906 - 08/01/05 12:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like step 3
"Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understood God."
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Quote:
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You guys might think its funny but some of the people in there are having trouble with their cannabis use and its affecting their lives negatively. They are trying to help each other with their problems and its all voluntary. They aren't advocating that it should be illegal or anything like that so I don't see what you guys have against it. Anything pleasurable can be addicting to certain people just because it's not physically addicting doesn't mean it can't present a problem in someones life. Psychological addiction can be just as bad if not worse then physical addiction. Allot of times after junkies have with drawn they relapse due to their psychological addiction. For a group of "laid back" potheads who are open minded you seem pretty hostile to people who have recognized they have a problem and are working to correct it.
Right on, man! 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: trendal]
#4481562 - 08/01/05 03:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can understand how people would need support to quit smoking pot. It's not addictive or hard to quit, but ma isn't for that. It's for people who have trouble deciding to quit and want to make that first step.
QuantumMeltdown - Maybe some shroomerites with weed problems feel uncomfortable to see people dealing with their weed problems? 
I like weed but cannot quit even when it would be better for me to do so. If I were to feel powerless, I could see going to a place like this to help me out. 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4481570 - 08/01/05 03:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Have you ever sucked dick for pot?"
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: tomk]
#4481597 - 08/01/05 04:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is what happens to me...
I get down to the bottom of the sack and I'm like, "Okay, my tolerance is off the roof because of smoking 24/7, I think I'd like to try and take a break."
Then the weed is gone. I always feel bummed about it.
The first day is hellish for me just because my body is used to being high. I contemplate getting more weed. I may try and self-medicate with alcohol.
On the second day without, things are better. I'm so sober it's almost like being high. I always feel good by the second day, cherishing my clear-headed-ness. But hubby isn't feeling too good, wishes he can be high. He gets hit hard on the 2nd and 3rd days without. He'll say, "hey...want to get some weed?"
And I'm like..."Well, I wanted to take a break..."
And he'll say, "Yeah, you know, we probably should."
Silence.
Then, I say tentatively, "Want to call the dealer?"
And Kevin's like, "Yeah, let's do that."
And then I have pot again. That is seriously how it goes EVERY time. I'm smoking the last of my vaporized weed now and then the process will start tomorrow.
I've pretty much accepted my pot use. I used to be kinda deluded about it. I finally faced that I love being high. But honestly, if there was a free support group like the one mentioned where I lived, I'd probably go to it. Why not, it might be fun. I wouldn't QUIT, but I would slow down if I went to that sort of group.
In fact, that's one of the things I'm looking forward to with pregnancy. No toking for 9 months. The clearheadedness I'm sure to encounter sort of makes me drool. I'm sure that I'll finish a book during that time. I'll REALLY miss it when everyone around me is smoking, but it'll be so worth it when I take that first toke on my return. 
So yes, there are positive and negative aspects to being a pothead. I can see why people would want help to quit. There's no shame in getting it, good for them.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: MOTH]
#4481599 - 08/01/05 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: browndustin]
#4481608 - 08/01/05 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The pamphlet "Detoxing from Marijuana" that is on this web page does not contain medically based knowledge"
Ha.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: browndustin]
#4481615 - 08/01/05 04:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow
I know! I think... 
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Gijith
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Quote:
QuantumMeltdown said:
You guys might think its funny but some of the people in there are having trouble with their cannabis use and its affecting their lives negatively. They are trying to help each other with their problems and its all voluntary. They aren't advocating that it should be illegal or anything like that so I don't see what you guys have against it. Anything pleasurable can be addicting to certain people just because it's not physically addicting doesn't mean it can't present a problem in someones life. Psychological addiction can be just as bad if not worse then physical addiction. Allot of times after junkies have with drawn they relapse due to their psychological addiction. For a group of "laid back" potheads who are open minded you seem pretty hostile to people who have recognized they have a problem and are working to correct it.
A lot of people haven't had the opportunity to know someone severely addicted to pot. This whole myth of 'pyschological' addiction is just that. Prolonged weed smoking, in a minority people, can alter your brain chemistry in ways that cause addiction, as in repeated use in the face of consequences.
Like them or not, 12 step programs are the only things that have been repeatedly shown to help most people with severe addictions over a long course of time. I think the whole 'belief in God' thing is pretty lame. But, thankfuly, many people involved in 12 steps are looking to change the wording to simply 'belief in something beyond one's self'... slightly better.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Gijith]
#4481796 - 08/01/05 04:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prolonged weed smoking, in a minority people, can alter your brain chemistry in ways that cause addiction, as in repeated use in the face of consequences.
Have any proof for this?
I highly doubt that marijuana is physically addictive, even to a minority of users.
However I know that a minority of users will have a psychological addiction so strong as to be unable to quit on their own.
Look at cocaine, it's not really physically addictive but can cause intense psychological addiction in a majority of users.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: trendal]
#4481821 - 08/01/05 05:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually recent studies have said that it is physically addictive, it just doesn't have any serious with drawls.
I'll try to find the article. It's something about your cannabinoids, and how frequent use weakens them so you can't feel the feelings weed gives you (happiness, hunger etc) as much as someone who doesn't smoke.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
#4481842 - 08/01/05 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know about physical addiction, but I do know it's pretty addicting psychologically. I had to stop due to circumstances which I had no control over, and it was pretty rough for me there for a while. I don't smoke a 1/10 of what I used to, though, mainly because of the expense. I do enjoy it more, now that I smoke less! 
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
#4481870 - 08/01/05 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's something about your cannabinoids, and how frequent use weakens them so you can't feel the feelings weed gives you (happiness, hunger etc) as much as someone who doesn't smoke.
That's not addiction, that's tolerance 
Addiction is when receptors become dependent on the drug, so that if you stop using the receptors stop working correctly and you get physical withdrawal.
Tolerance is when receptors stop responding to the drug, thus requiring more of the drug to get the same effect. It sucks, because it means I have to smoke more weed to get high than I did when I started
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Le_Canard]
#4481893 - 08/01/05 05:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said:
I do enjoy it more, now that I smoke less!
Great point...that's the only motivation I have to smoke less.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4481930 - 08/01/05 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't see what all this shit talking is for. It's for people who have trouble controlling their marijuana habits. Marijuana is a great thing, that is, for a majority of the people. On the other hand, people who have trouble and let their habits destroy their lives, it isn't something to joke about.
For a group of people who talk so much shit about the government's stance at the issue, many of you are completely brainwashed to believe pot is completely harmless to EVERYONE.
Some people got together because they are having trouble quitting. You gonna talk shit about that?
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: trendal]
#4481989 - 08/01/05 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No no.
Maybe I didn't get that out right. I'm saying it damages those receptors, so you can't feel those feelings when you're not stoned. So you NEED to smoke weed to activate the receptors because your body can't do it on it's own anymore. If your body can't create certain feelings or emotions without the help of a drug, and it was that same drug that caused it. I would say that's addiction. Because of the fact that your body NEEDS the THC to actually function normally.
Even so. Through my years of smoking weed, I've never experienced these effects.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
#4482000 - 08/01/05 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read their literature and decided that they aren't as good as I first thought. Who shakes from quitting pot? Jesus christ.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: MOTH]
#4482019 - 08/01/05 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think that being a stone-cold stoner is a bad thing for you, really. I smoke a great deal of pot and I'm in good general health. The thing is, if you DO want to quit, and you aren't able to, thats a problem. A guy smoking 20 joints a day who is happy with it is probably going to have better long term health than someone smoking 2 bowls a day who is always wishing to quit. When I take my time off from ganja, I usually do it for 2 weeks. Start with a one day fast drinking nothing but water and plenty of it! No food for the first 24 hours. Whenever you think about being stoned do some breathing exercisez and get the oxygen going to your brain. Being very oxygenated is almost as fun as being really stoned! Best of all, you can look forward to your 2 week 'back to stoned" present. I usually make sure I keep a gram or so of nugs on hand so I know I'll be able to break my pot-fast on the day I want to. nothing sucks like quitting for two weeks, looking forward to getting back to it and not being able to find shit.
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From the Declaration of the Continental Congress "We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood." Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939 "We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: trendal]
#4482204 - 08/01/05 06:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry, I was posting very fast and was not clear enough (I had a Lean Pocket in the microwave)...
What I'm trying to say is that the term 'physical addiction' is meaningless. As far as I know, people in addiction medicine don't use it anymore. In this same way, 'psychological addiction' doesn't carry the traditional label people put upon it. From what I know, things now fall under two categories: Physical Dependence and, simply, Addiction. Physical dependence is gaged by the appearance of physical withdrawal symptoms immediately after a substance is stopped. And no, marijuana withdrawal does not produce many symptoms. But, by definition, those symptoms have nothing to do with a drive to continue using. For example, prozac can be a physically dependent substance... Addiction, on the other hand, is the psychological drive to continue behavior, regardless of consequence. When it comes to addiction, the physiology can be classified as the being similar in marijuana, as in cocaine, as in sex, as in eating disorders. All the same because what the brain is responding to is the release of neurotransmitters. As you know, over time, our brain teaches itself to reward certain behaviors by releasing these. Dopamine, in particular, if I'm not mistaken. That drive to reward is the entire basis of 'psychological' addiction. I've read all sorts of stuff as to how this evolved in our minds. Lots of interesting theories. But I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure.
... What I'm trying to say if you exhibit addictive behavior, you're addicted to something. Whether you're 'physically addicted' doesn't really matter. It's not addiction at all. That's just the icing on top of the pathology.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Gijith]
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Gijith said:
Sorry, I was posting very fast and was not clear enough (I had a Lean Pocket in the microwave)...
haha
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Gijith]
#4482274 - 08/01/05 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh well that I definitely agree with, making a distinction between "physical dependence" and "addiction"!
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: trendal]
#4482282 - 08/01/05 06:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I really didn't word my other post like I thought I had.
Hopefully you see where I'm coming from now.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
#4482413 - 08/01/05 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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all of you folk who are ragging on MA and on people who believe they have trouble with marijuana use go ahead and stop using for 3 weeks.
i bet you can't. you hypocrites.
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Who the fuck are you calling a hypocrite?
Quote ONE sentence that I posted that you think is hypocritical.
Yeah I smoke weed, but I'm not above stating FACTS about it. Whether they by positive or negative. I don't deny facts that go against marijuana usage like some loser hippie. No one is "ragging" on marijuana, we're just telling it like it is. Try making sense in the future, thanks.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
#4482450 - 08/01/05 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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try not freaking out like a little bitch
yes you are a loser hippie. dumbass.
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Ha, that's it?
You bust out the childish name calling so quickly.
Thanks for the arguement, to bad it was over before it started
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Gijith]
#4482465 - 08/01/05 07:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gijith said:
Sorry, I was posting very fast and was not clear enough (I had a Lean Pocket in the microwave)...
What I'm trying to say is that the term 'physical addiction' is meaningless. As far as I know, people in addiction medicine don't use it anymore. In this same way, 'psychological addiction' doesn't carry the traditional label people put upon it. From what I know, things now fall under two categories: Physical Dependence and, simply, Addiction. Physical dependence is gaged by the appearance of physical withdrawal symptoms immediately after a substance is stopped. And no, marijuana withdrawal does not produce many symptoms. But, by definition, those symptoms have nothing to do with a drive to continue using. For example, prozac can be a physically dependent substance... Addiction, on the other hand, is the psychological drive to continue behavior, regardless of consequence. When it comes to addiction, the physiology can be classified as the being similar in marijuana, as in cocaine, as in sex, as in eating disorders. All the same because what the brain is responding to is the release of neurotransmitters. As you know, over time, our brain teaches itself to reward certain behaviors by releasing these. Dopamine, in particular, if I'm not mistaken. That drive to reward is the entire basis of 'psychological' addiction. I've read all sorts of stuff as to how this evolved in our minds. Lots of interesting theories. But I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure.
... What I'm trying to say if you exhibit addictive behavior, you're addicted to something. Whether you're 'physically addicted' doesn't really matter. It's not addiction at all. That's just the icing on top of the pathology.
Hmm...interesting. When you put it like that I guess I was addicted - or rather, still am addicted. When I don't have it, I really wish I did. And if I did have more access to it, I'd be wasted all the time. Ah well, there's worse things to get hooked on, I suppose.... 
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Why flame??!!
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
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ok, since you're obviously too high and or naturally stupid to properly interpret the internet I'll break down my message for ya
MA is not marijuana. MA is Marijuana Anonymous (the subject of this thread)
When someone says "you people" and their post is in response to the person directly above them it is very rarely directed at the person above them, but rather at "you people" and merely using the person above them to respond conveniently that's why I typed "you people" not "trainwreck".
blah blah blah... i'm bored of this already but in conclusion i was criticizing those people who were criticizing marijuana anonymous and I have no idea if you are one of those people but you are stupid and or paranoid so bite me.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Rebirtha]
#4482484 - 08/01/05 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Evan said:
I think there should be a rule that if you have 3 shrooms or less you should be limited to 25 posts a day.
i agree. u r smart. i nominate you for president!
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: MOTH]
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EllemyshShade said:
Why flame??!!
trainwreck started it.
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And I think all he was saying is that it doesn't make sense to call people hypocrites when they haven't done anything.
I'm glad this whole thing is solved haha
lets move on ..
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Rebirtha]
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all i'm saying is it's easy to say marijuana isn't physically addictive or marijuana isn't psychologically addictive but it's another thing to actually stop use and that is something which so many users who say it's harmless and nonaddictive are unable to do.
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Quote:
question_for_joo said:
all i'm saying is it's easy to say marijuana isn't physically addictive or marijuana isn't psychologically addictive but it's another thing to actually stop use and that is something which so many users who say it's harmless and nonaddictive are unable to do.
I totally agree with this statement.
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1) I must admit I saw MA and thought marijuana, not marijuana anonymous, so there's 1 for you.
2) Your post was in response to ME so naturally I thought that's who you were directing your comments at. Even if you did include everyone else. I am part of this group.
3) No, actually your "started it", kid.
And flaming is bad mmkay. But if someone throws a punch, I'm going to block it. Thanks.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
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I think most people fall into either one of two categories with their opinions on pot. On one side are people who believe all the commercials and government propaganda about it. There is the opposite side of people who believe just as much propaganda but its pro-pot. These people believe its about as safe as drinking a glass of water. They will actually go out of there way kind of like the govt to defend pot use even in the cases where it's obviously not benifiting the person. They want to deny that its possible for people to ever have a problem with it. There are very few people that actually see it for what it is.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Trainwreck
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So there's 3 groups then.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Trainwreck]
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I said most people fall into one of the first two.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Well, of course there are drawbacks to weed. It can be very irritating to the lungs, for starters, but it's nowhere near as bad as some drugs, like meth or alcohol, IMHO....
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Le_Canard]
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When smoked its more then just irritating for your lungs its carcinogenic. Many pro-pot people won't even acknowledge that.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Possibly. Any time you get inflammation and irritation of the cells lining the bronchioles, you increase the chances of cancer. Also, long term use could lead to Emphysema. In any case, it ain't good for the lungs, thats for sure.....
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Le_Canard]
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Thats why I got me a vapor doc.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Smart move!
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Quote:
QuantumMeltdown said:
I think most people fall into either one of two categories with their opinions on pot. On one side are people who believe all the commercials and government propaganda about it. There is the opposite side of people who believe just as much propaganda but its pro-pot. These people believe its about as safe as drinking a glass of water. They will actually go out of there way kind of like the govt to defend pot use even in the cases where it's obviously not benifiting the person. They want to deny that its possible for people to ever have a problem with it. There are very few people that actually see it for what it is.
Yeah I completely agree with you, and I actually find myself running more into the second group of people than the first these past few years in college.
I once had this huge long thread in Overgrow where all I was saying was that pot activists lose so much credibility by acting like pot is completely and absolutely harmless, and more often than not, people on the board tried to argue with me that it really is harmless  That was about the last time I posted on OG.
I'm in the same vaporizer boat as you my friend. We need a vaporizer smiley
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Quote:
QuantumMeltdown said:
You guys might think its funny but some of the people in there are having trouble with their cannabis use and its affecting their lives negatively. They are trying to help each other with their problems and its all voluntary. They aren't advocating that it should be illegal or anything like that so I don't see what you guys have against it. Anything pleasurable can be addicting to certain people just because it's not physically addicting doesn't mean it can't present a problem in someones life. Psychological addiction can be just as bad if not worse then physical addiction. Allot of times after junkies have with drawn they relapse due to their psychological addiction. For a group of "laid back" potheads who are open minded you seem pretty hostile to people who have recognized they have a problem and are working to correct it.
the way I see it, these people are wusses. Their lack of being able to control their own brain is being used as a justification for the government to take away MY right to use MY brain however I see fit. These are the sorry losers that are ruining it for everyone. They should grow a pair, get some willpower and freaking QUIT, if thats really what they want to do. They shouldn't need some nancy boy support group to control their own brains. What a waste of money. What a needless perpetuation of yet another harmful pothead stereotype.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
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I agree. Pot addiction isn't heroin addiction. That's like having support groups for chocolate fiends.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
#4483317 - 08/01/05 10:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where do they campaign for making MJ illegal?
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Tao]
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I saw a recent article just the other day where the DEA chief or the Drug czar, or some other politician moron was using the statistic of 'X many people in rehab' for marijuana as justification for some law or another. Not as a political arguement, but basically to make the public feel all warm and squishy about some raid in canada that the DEA recently pulled.
Rehab is a business. Much like psychotherapy, its an excuse for people in the health profession to call people wrong for doing something that is totally natural, and sell them expensive, unnecesary treatment. So now every yuppie-ass mother who finds a joint in her son's lunchbox wastes the family savings forcing her kid into rehab, where they trank you up on trazedone and have a bunch of useless support groups all day, where a bunch of drug fiends ge together and share connections and network so they'll be well-supplied when they get out.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Tao]
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http://cannabis.com/untoldstory/
Description: Cannabis: The Untold Story
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
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On topic...
How can you hate on someone that is trying to get help and is offering help to others at ABSOLUTELY no cost to yourself? Think about it.
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i wouldnt go as far as saying hating them. but weed really isnt anymore a drug than anything else: food, sex, etc...
i find it impossible to be addicted to marijuana, rather addicted to getting high.
i strongly believe the only solution to a pot "addiction" is in fact to simply growing a pair (as previously stated)
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SAT GURUM TAM NA MA MI.
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Quote:
Brahmanandam said:
addicted to getting high.
Said very succinctly.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
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Marijuana Anonymous, NA, AA and all of the other fellowship groups are not rehab. They are just a group of people who get together to give each other support to change their behaviour. Someone also said that MJ is only as addictive as food and your right food for certain people can be addicting just like gambling they have Over Eaters Anonymous and Gambling fellowships as well. Its not these fellowships fault that the laws are the way they are.. The politician refering to the number of people in rehab for MJ isn't talking about Marijauna Anonymous because by definition there would be no way to get any stats about them their ANONYMOUS. You can call them wusses or whatever names you wan't but these people will still have their problems and if MA works for them they whats the problem?
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-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
the way I see it, these people are wusses. Their lack of being able to control their own brain is being used as a justification for the government to take away MY right to use MY brain however I see fit. These are the sorry losers that are ruining it for everyone. They should grow a pair, get some willpower and freaking QUIT, if thats really what they want to do. They shouldn't need some nancy boy support group to control their own brains. What a waste of money. What a needless perpetuation of yet another harmful pothead stereotype.
Do you really think the government cares about your well being/health? You really think thats the reason why pot and other drugs are illegal? Give me a break. These "Nancy Boy" support groups and "sorry losers" are not the reason you can't enjoy the herb legally. I think it has alot more to do with Du Pont and other idustrial and pharmacutical companies.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4483775 - 08/02/05 12:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never understand questions like question #2:
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Do you ever get high alone?
Why yes, I love getting high alone. I like it better than getting high with others for the most part. I also don't mind drinking alone. But why does this have any relevance to addiction at all? I barely ever drink, yet often when I do it's by myself. And while I don't smoke too often, I love to go out in nature and light up a bowl by myself when I do want to get high.
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Well said, Quantum.
I think the important thing for people to realize is that addiction is a physiological disease, the same way many mental disorders are. Whether it's food or pot or heroin, the brain has the ability to treat all of them the same in terms of its drive to reward... I, thankfully, have never had an addiction issue aside form cigarettes. I totally understand where people are coming from when they say addicts need to just 'get some willpower' or whatever. The thing is, my friends who are addicts, they have a strong desire to stop and more willpower than I could ever imagine having. But, try as they might, they can't escape their own brain chemistry. It's not simply a matter of willpower. It's the same reason I can't tell someone to apply will to their bipolar disorder and make it disappear.
Alright, I'm off to bed.
Peace, everyone.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Ravus]
#4483791 - 08/02/05 12:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah those questionaire things that determine if your addicted are stupid. No body is saying these fellowship groups are perfect and alot of their literature is silly but if you see past that their helpfull to the people who attend them regularly. So why knock them? Also to Doctor J what about having no compasion for people struggling with substances what does that do for the stero types of stoners?
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Rebirtha]
#4484129 - 08/02/05 01:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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They way they talk about it, it's like it's a decease.
The people having problems "with it" have problems with something else and blame the drug.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
I don't know about physical addiction, but I do know it's pretty addicting psychologically. I had to stop due to circumstances which I had no control over, and it was pretty rough for me there for a while. I don't smoke a 1/10 of what I used to, though, mainly because of the expense. I do enjoy it more, now that I smoke less!
I'm in the same exact situation. Quit for a month, smoke much much less than before, and get way higher.
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