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 DoctorJ
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QuantumMeltdown said:
You guys might think its funny but some of the people in there are having trouble with their cannabis use and its affecting their lives negatively. They are trying to help each other with their problems and its all voluntary. They aren't advocating that it should be illegal or anything like that so I don't see what you guys have against it. Anything pleasurable can be addicting to certain people just because it's not physically addicting doesn't mean it can't present a problem in someones life. Psychological addiction can be just as bad if not worse then physical addiction. Allot of times after junkies have with drawn they relapse due to their psychological addiction. For a group of "laid back" potheads who are open minded you seem pretty hostile to people who have recognized they have a problem and are working to correct it.
the way I see it, these people are wusses. Their lack of being able to control their own brain is being used as a justification for the government to take away MY right to use MY brain however I see fit. These are the sorry losers that are ruining it for everyone. They should grow a pair, get some willpower and freaking QUIT, if thats really what they want to do. They shouldn't need some nancy boy support group to control their own brains. What a waste of money. What a needless perpetuation of yet another harmful pothead stereotype.
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 Re: Marijuana Anonymous  [Re: DoctorJ]
#4483294 - 08/01/05 10:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree. Pot addiction isn't heroin addiction. That's like having support groups for chocolate fiends.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
#4483317 - 08/01/05 10:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where do they campaign for making MJ illegal?
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Tao]
#4483415 - 08/01/05 10:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I saw a recent article just the other day where the DEA chief or the Drug czar, or some other politician moron was using the statistic of 'X many people in rehab' for marijuana as justification for some law or another. Not as a political arguement, but basically to make the public feel all warm and squishy about some raid in canada that the DEA recently pulled.
Rehab is a business. Much like psychotherapy, its an excuse for people in the health profession to call people wrong for doing something that is totally natural, and sell them expensive, unnecesary treatment. So now every yuppie-ass mother who finds a joint in her son's lunchbox wastes the family savings forcing her kid into rehab, where they trank you up on trazedone and have a bunch of useless support groups all day, where a bunch of drug fiends ge together and share connections and network so they'll be well-supplied when they get out.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Tao]
#4483417 - 08/01/05 10:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4483523 - 08/01/05 11:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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On topic...
How can you hate on someone that is trying to get help and is offering help to others at ABSOLUTELY no cost to yourself? Think about it.
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i wouldnt go as far as saying hating them. but weed really isnt anymore a drug than anything else: food, sex, etc...
i find it impossible to be addicted to marijuana, rather addicted to getting high.
i strongly believe the only solution to a pot "addiction" is in fact to simply growing a pair (as previously stated)
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Quote:
Brahmanandam said:
addicted to getting high.
Said very succinctly.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
#4483733 - 08/01/05 11:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Marijuana Anonymous, NA, AA and all of the other fellowship groups are not rehab. They are just a group of people who get together to give each other support to change their behaviour. Someone also said that MJ is only as addictive as food and your right food for certain people can be addicting just like gambling they have Over Eaters Anonymous and Gambling fellowships as well. Its not these fellowships fault that the laws are the way they are.. The politician refering to the number of people in rehab for MJ isn't talking about Marijauna Anonymous because by definition there would be no way to get any stats about them their ANONYMOUS. You can call them wusses or whatever names you wan't but these people will still have their problems and if MA works for them they whats the problem?
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: DoctorJ]
#4483755 - 08/02/05 12:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
DoctorJ said:
the way I see it, these people are wusses. Their lack of being able to control their own brain is being used as a justification for the government to take away MY right to use MY brain however I see fit. These are the sorry losers that are ruining it for everyone. They should grow a pair, get some willpower and freaking QUIT, if thats really what they want to do. They shouldn't need some nancy boy support group to control their own brains. What a waste of money. What a needless perpetuation of yet another harmful pothead stereotype.
Do you really think the government cares about your well being/health? You really think thats the reason why pot and other drugs are illegal? Give me a break. These "Nancy Boy" support groups and "sorry losers" are not the reason you can't enjoy the herb legally. I think it has alot more to do with Du Pont and other idustrial and pharmacutical companies.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Fliquid]
#4483775 - 08/02/05 12:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never understand questions like question #2:
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Do you ever get high alone?
Why yes, I love getting high alone. I like it better than getting high with others for the most part. I also don't mind drinking alone. But why does this have any relevance to addiction at all? I barely ever drink, yet often when I do it's by myself. And while I don't smoke too often, I love to go out in nature and light up a bowl by myself when I do want to get high.
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Gijith
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Well said, Quantum.
I think the important thing for people to realize is that addiction is a physiological disease, the same way many mental disorders are. Whether it's food or pot or heroin, the brain has the ability to treat all of them the same in terms of its drive to reward... I, thankfully, have never had an addiction issue aside form cigarettes. I totally understand where people are coming from when they say addicts need to just 'get some willpower' or whatever. The thing is, my friends who are addicts, they have a strong desire to stop and more willpower than I could ever imagine having. But, try as they might, they can't escape their own brain chemistry. It's not simply a matter of willpower. It's the same reason I can't tell someone to apply will to their bipolar disorder and make it disappear.
Alright, I'm off to bed.
Peace, everyone.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Ravus]
#4483791 - 08/02/05 12:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah those questionaire things that determine if your addicted are stupid. No body is saying these fellowship groups are perfect and alot of their literature is silly but if you see past that their helpfull to the people who attend them regularly. So why knock them? Also to Doctor J what about having no compasion for people struggling with substances what does that do for the stero types of stoners?
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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 Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Rebirtha]
#4484129 - 08/02/05 01:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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They way they talk about it, it's like it's a decease.
The people having problems "with it" have problems with something else and blame the drug.
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Re: Marijuana Anonymous [Re: Le_Canard]
#4484200 - 08/02/05 02:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said:
I don't know about physical addiction, but I do know it's pretty addicting psychologically. I had to stop due to circumstances which I had no control over, and it was pretty rough for me there for a while. I don't smoke a 1/10 of what I used to, though, mainly because of the expense. I do enjoy it more, now that I smoke less! 
I'm in the same exact situation. Quit for a month, smoke much much less than before, and get way higher. 
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