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Offlinehubertd8
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Biggest Band Sell-Outs?
    #447652 - 11/05/01 11:51 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

well with trying to keep things calm and civilized how do u guys think are some of the biggest sell-out bands and/or individuals singers? Of the top of my head i can think of The Offspring.

anyways gotta go study so let me know what u think.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #447841 - 11/05/01 03:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I think that this is a naive question.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Mortician]
    #447913 - 11/05/01 04:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

why, it happens all the time, and well i was just wondering what u guys thought.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #448594 - 11/06/01 01:38 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i TOTALLY agree about offspring -- i used to love them (i still enjoy Ixnay and Ignition very much despite my classic rock/psychedelia love) but when i heard the new cd's i was like HEY THESE ARE THE SAME CHORD PROGRESSIONS FROM THE OLD CD'S IN DIFFERENT TIME SIGNATURES AND WITH DIFFERENT LYRICS! how original. i almost feel sad


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #448897 - 11/06/01 11:05 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Without a doubt, System Of A Down. Their self-titled cd was very erratic, heavy and lyrically interesting. Their new cd is wussy and intellectually backrupt. I hate it so much, it even affected how I feel about their first album- I can't tolerate it anymore. All I can think about is all their "self-righteous suicide" bullshit. Man, I hate Toxicity so bad!!


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #449046 - 11/06/01 01:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

blink 182


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: MarleyBob]
    #449248 - 11/06/01 05:38 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ma, ma, Ma, MAT- okay, hang on:
metallica [as he burns his finger]
i guess thats kind of like a hot button, yea? I hear so many people say they don't like them and the napster thing and everyhting, but I had a problem with their new stuff before that ever happened, it just jeopordizes the validity of my claim though. Still, their newer stuff is different, maybe I just don't like it because it's not really what I signed on for when I first statted like ing them, with tracks like master of puppets and enter sandman, not to mention god that failed and basicly the last 3 or 4 tracks on all of their first 4 cd's. their style is different now, i guess they just got older. that's what happens, huh?


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #449462 - 11/06/01 08:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Limp Dicklick. Not only do they suck, but they suck in a sell out kind of way. Pawns for MTV. Bah!

Want to learn to play Limp Dicklick kiddies? Great, I only have to teach you 2 chords! ;-)


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #449466 - 11/06/01 08:21 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

They got old, and they got better. Still, the napster deal was kind of shisty, but they still make great music.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #449617 - 11/06/01 09:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Personally metallica pisses me off the most,green day was bad two, but anyway, everyone sells out to some extent..But by far the biggest sellout I've seen is Milli Vanilli...these two actually agreed to not using any of there own music, but lip sync'ing two other guys music, that is sellout to the rawest........


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #449700 - 11/06/01 11:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I agree (of course) on Metallica, but I think they also kind-of did some neat stuff during their "new" period, like the Garage Inc, covers and the symphony stuff. Limp Bizkit, ...just makes me sick, what else can I say. Three dollar bill was a BAdASS album, and that era of their music was cool--RATM covers, Janes Addiction covers, ruthless screaming, etc. And thern they sold out....


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Hydro]
    #449711 - 11/06/01 11:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Deffinetly The Back Street Boys,
I remeber when they used to play at my brothers college, they rocked, it used to be all about the music for them. But now, it just isn't the same.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: egolesss]
    #449799 - 11/07/01 12:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Egolesss,

I have to disagree about Green Day being a sell-out. I guess it is arguable, but in the sense that a punk band can't become mainstream it seems kind of ridiculous...I know that Green Day got death threats from their old stomping ground after Dookie came out, just because they had a song on the top 20....that is just stupid, especially when most of those 'punks' are poser white collar kids.

If you didn't know, 'Time of Your Life' was an ironic fuck you to the punk gastapo. Hey, people get older, have kids, become a little less aggresive with their lyrics...so what? Unless you're Metallica, of course, in which case you can just go directly to Hell..


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hatter]
    #449955 - 11/07/01 07:09 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Korn anyone?
actually now that I think about it they didn't really sell out, (ie, you don't see them in commercials like smash mouth) they just got tons and tons of new fans once follow the leader came out, they were getting all sorts of airplay on mtv. now, follow the leader was a pretty good album, but issues is just terribe. Korn was my favorite band for a few years but they lost me when they changed their sound on their 2 most recent albums. plus seeing them on mtv all the time just made me sick.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hatter]
    #450027 - 11/07/01 09:03 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

hatter, I threw green day in because punks don't sell out, not my rules, but the punk community rules. I've seen green day I like them. It just goes against everything they sing about.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: egolesss]
    #450871 - 11/07/01 08:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Korn aren't a sellout, no. They're popular because teen angst has become popular. Its like saying Nirvana were sellouts.

The closest they came to that was FTL and it wasn't a sellout (although I did see a middle-aged woman wearing a korn shirt during that era - good for her). Personally I think Issues was better than FTL, FTL had some catchy singles on but Issues had an interesting vibe.

Limp Bizkit are the biggest sellout band on earth right now. Their first album was credible but the last one was laughably poor. Why do you think Wes Borland finally snapped? I always wondered how someone with his talent could take it, and it seems his patience slipped. Sit down and listen to the lyrics of the chocolate starfish, you might find yourself really laughing at them.

I remember hearing about how fantastic they were live, well I saw them live (post chocolate starfish) and err.. they were nothing special.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: flaw]
    #450892 - 11/07/01 08:55 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i thought issues was pretty good but the rest of there shit wasnt exactly what i get into...but about limp bizkit i think that the tour they did with napster must have been a big front just to make them look like anti-sell-outs [can you do that with hte double hyphons(sp?)]


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: flaw]
    #450896 - 11/07/01 08:57 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

korn sold out. Listen to their first cd, then life is peachy then listen to their new shit and tell me they didn't sell out. offspring sold out. Limpbizkit sucks ass and sold out. now people wanna sound like limp bizkit and whole bunch more bad music came out. i don't remember any rage covers on 3 dollar bill which one? rage kinda sold out. their old sound was so much better on their new shit they don't even sound angry. system changed their sound alot i haven't heard their new cd only the single so i can't judge but seems like they sold out. blink 182 sucks ass so i don't even care. they have to be the worst musicians ever I can't believe they got so famous. i could go on but i don't feel like it. maybe later. And don't get me wrong rage is one of my favorite bands i love their self titled cd and evil empire, but then it went down hill.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #451283 - 11/08/01 01:29 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Ok TeRzMaStA, I've listened to all korn's cds. All I hear is a little different sound, nothing that means sellout - whats your point?

So if they don't sound angry enough they're sellouts?.. your definition of selling out is probably quite different to what most people would consider selling out. What we're talking about here is the specific change in their music over time that makes them seem more like corporate wh0res than musicians.

People are quick to jump on the bandwagon when a band's cds are 'different' to the first one. Ye olde 'I like their old stuff better than their new stuff'.



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #451327 - 11/08/01 02:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Going by your formula, Radiohead must be sell-outs fer sure! Hell, every one of their albums is totally unlike the others. Changing and evolving a style is a great thing, that is if their was legitimate talent and substance there in the first place. That is why I have a hard time comparing an awesome band like Radiohead to trendy catchphrase-chorus-fest crap like Korn or LBizkit.

It's funny..following some of these bands is like smoking crack--always trying to match that first fix...and you never quite get there.

BTW, give Catherine Wheel a listen...


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: flaw]
    #451345 - 11/08/01 04:19 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Nirvana did sell out. Who cares? They still wrote some great songs.

Korn were always sell-outs, and they always sucked. Together six months before getting a major label deal? What a crock of shit. I'm sure they're swapping vacation spot ideas with Matchbox 20 right about now...

Oh yeah...Limp Bizkit.

Worst.

Band.

Ever.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #451568 - 11/08/01 10:16 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I think the biggest contributor to bands selling out is F*ckin MTV, god i hate that channel, i haven't watched it in about 4 years because of the shithole it turned into, talk about trendy teenybopper bullshit. Anybody who appears live on MTV should be ashamed nowadays. Do they even play music videos anymore??


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: flaw]
    #452182 - 11/08/01 08:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>Changing and evolving a style is a great thing, that is if their was legitimate talent and substance there in the first place

There is a huge difference between selling out and evolving syle. Tool is one of my favorite bands and each one of their cds are different. They are just progessing as musicians. Rage kinda sold out at the end making shitty songs that don't have the substance thier old songs do. If you read the lyrics from all of their cds you will see that they just go downhill. Compare renegades of funk to killing in the name or know ur enemy.

I can't stand radio head. They really annoy me.

In the beginning korn would get drunk and have practice and have good times and all of their songs weren't trying to sound like they have a chip on their shoulder. They sold out and became media whores. you see their name everywhere. their music is bad. all they did was appeal to those dumb ass kids who got into all that shitty angy music.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #452581 - 11/09/01 06:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The word sell-out is way to over used.... people like to use it as an excuse not to like a band...
it's just stupid


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #453114 - 11/09/01 03:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

thinking that by refusing to answer a question that in your mind is stupid ( and making people know it, ie posting-slight irony) and posting about it dose not make u any smarter then those who have answered it.

"excuse not to like a band... " usually people loved the band at some time and well something changed.

Sell-out in my opinion is basically conforming ones style/lyrics/image/etc. to what would sell the most records at that particular time. I think this is the most direct explanation/definition of a "sell-out"

best example Offspring, 1st they're alternative then bboys come along, (OS->)" wow they sure sell more records then us, lets try to get a piece of it" and they go off making pop and well become what i consider media (ie mtv, mm) whores.



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #453120 - 11/09/01 03:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

considering you are the one who posted the post i would expect you to get a tad bit offended...since most seem to think that no question is a stupid question...teachers just say that because they get payed too
every band is a sellout if they sell themselves to a record company... i don't think that is the right word for a band that has changed their music completely to go with the times...


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #453168 - 11/09/01 04:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you as far as tool goes... that is a perfect example of evolving... people bitch about how their latest isnt anything like their old stuff but their latest shows their growth
the progression is amazing... a friend and i discussed how opiate seems so primal now. To bad the fans are idiots.
They don't get the hint that hooker with a penis and ticks and leeches happens to be about them.... Tool has gotten much better lyrically throughout the albums... the concepts flow a lot better... i don't think people look at it in the right light....i hate hearing people say tool is "dark" music
As far as radiohead goes... i think kid a was good i like the concept. The lyrics are very subtle... yet powerful


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #453478 - 11/09/01 09:59 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

All these bands mentioned were shit in the first place anyway except nirvana,radiohead and tool but i dont agree that tool has evolved i think maybe they have sold out, there old men now theve ran out of ideas i cant see how you could consider lateralus anything but a few steps down from aenima

I hate korn they embarrass me, werent they paid by puma or something to wear puma shoes and clothes?


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: missulena]
    #453760 - 11/10/01 08:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yeah korn had some contract with puma, adidas too, they're always wearing glittery addidas jumpsuits in their videos. what's next, adidas tear-away kilts?


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: redworm]
    #453768 - 11/10/01 08:21 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The Dead Kennedys (apart from Jello Biafra). They sued Jello so they could use there songs on fucking adverts *vomits blood*.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: missulena]
    #454242 - 11/10/01 06:18 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Wait wait wait wait a minute here....

Tool... sold out? Lateralus a step down from aenima? You seem to be confused. Maybe just because you have never been enlightened with what is going on here. Lateralus is a work of art... a total master piece. Just because you don't seem to understand what kind of change has taken place does not mean that they sold out... 100% evolution, and I expect it to go further still...

Maybe some day looking back you will understand.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Anonymous]
    #454269 - 11/10/01 06:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Anybody who believes Lateralus is a poor album ought to go out now and just buy the cyndi lauper records that they so dearly wish to purchase.

Tool are a band with substance, they understand the industry and employ a different tactic to what you might call selling out, they use 'the mystery principle' - that is, they don't saturate the market with themselves say like a band like korn. And it works!, the fans can't get enough of tool, because there isn't much tool to go around.

Very smart way of playing the game - selling records and keeping your integrity.

One thing you must understand of course is that from a business perspective there's not much difference to "selling out" and the mystery principle. They are both sound ways of selling records. Tool are a lucky band, not many bands have had the chance to play the game on their own grounds and plenty of bands with substance have been forced into being more visible through the media.

Most of the time the 'selling out' concept is forced upon a band, all money spent on them making records and promo stuff that it requires is LENT to the band. There is a quite a while before the band will even make a dollar for themselves so give some of those bands a break, they're just trying to put food on the table like anybody else.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #454277 - 11/10/01 06:38 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Jane's Addiction is lame now. I saw them awhile ago and they don't have a new song to show for the last decade or so. And the lead singer just acts like a meathead because its 'cool'.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: djfrog]
    #454347 - 11/10/01 07:32 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about? Jane's addiction has only had one cd since the original 3, and it was more of a reunion cd with a few new songs than a full blown project. The band members have been doing other things. They havn't even been together for most of the time since the first three. And what does that have to do with selling out anyway?

Most of the posts in this topic have been really weak. Three chord bands like Offspring, Green Day, System Of A Down, blink 182, and others mentioned are only known to you because they "sold out." Their new three chord songs, that either sound remarkably similar to the old, or that suck because they tried something different shouldn't be a shock or called selling out. They are just trying to stay alive in the market without having much talent. The only reason a sucky ass band is known to you at all is because they sold out long ago and are now shoved in your face by MTV and the record industry.

Now don't flame me for saying your favorite band sucks. People have different tastes and opinions. I think that several bands mentioned here are very talented acts.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: makedrugsfree]
    #454351 - 11/10/01 07:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I love the lyrics to this TOOL song:

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Hooker with a Penis

I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope Beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT,
From '92,
The first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,

Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

So I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

So...Shut up and

Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: makedrugsfree]
    #454398 - 11/10/01 08:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Normally i would get angry at someone saying tool is a sell out...
It's not even worth it... if someone wants to be a closed minded idiot then that is fine.. people who don't understand lateralus usually say that anyways

That is like the goths that go to tool shows and say lateralus is dark... same concept..ignorance



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: makedrugsfree]
    #454400 - 11/10/01 08:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

nah dude ticks and leeches is more descriptive of the morons that claim tool is not the same and that they sold out


I can't believe idiots mosh at tool, can you imagine people moshing at floyd?


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Rainbow]
    #454489 - 11/10/01 10:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Klaus, East Bay Ray and D.H. sued Jello over royalties that he didn't pay them while continuing to make lots of money off of the albums in CD form.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #454648 - 11/11/01 01:37 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, moshing is funny sometimes. When I went to Radiohead this summer Thom Yorke made fun of the audience for moshing. I live in Alaska and there is moshing at litterally every concert. I went to Cake a few years ago and the band actually stopped playing and asked the audience what they thought they were doing.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Necron99]
    #454656 - 11/11/01 01:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I cant believe they sued Jello over that. How pathetic. Next I am going to see Black Flag-"My War" in an army recruitment video....whats the world coming to

Limp...biggest sellout ever. Come on, to remake house of pain's Jump Around less than 10 years after the initial release....they screamed sellout from the word go



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: djfrog]
    #454682 - 11/11/01 03:07 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Jane's Addiction? Dude, they were only together for like two years in the whole freaking 90's..Dave Nevarro went to RedHCPeppers and Perry Farell started Porno For Pyros, not to mention coordinating that whole Lalapalooza thing-a-ma-jig....

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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: makedrugsfree]
    #454686 - 11/11/01 03:12 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

To back up your point: The Ramones only knew 3 chords through their entire careers(literally) and I don't think anyone would consider uttering Ramones and sell-outs in the same breath...


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #455007 - 11/11/01 02:41 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"don't think that is the right word for a band that has changed their music completely to go with the times... "

if they change it to sell more records then why not, itd the perfect word to use. I know the diff b\w evolving as a artist and selling out,


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
    #455193 - 11/11/01 05:33 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

you are right im a moron and worded that wrong... unless the band has changed their music and style completely is what i should have said..
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    #456639 - 11/12/01 11:44 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ahhaha - I love the term three cord bands all those bands dude mentioned play many more than three cords.to go depper into this dude if u new shit listen to a good musician (bb, dimes, mustaine,tools drummer) it really aint what your playing, but how u play it. I mean creatively what u make is of course important but in the end u lose what u were looking for in the begginig if u focus completely on the cords and notes arghhh that realy didnt make since but oh well.

as far selling out other dude had it right it simply means changing what u want( ur own uncorrupted music) for some one else for any reason. the music industry is based on selling out that is what uasally creates rock stars. go underground for a lot less uncorupted muzak, of course alot of them would sell out in asecond for fame;) If your label lets u create exactly what u want then u have not sold out

I am actually considering pursueing my bands future without a record label via-internet(nice website linked to every place I can)street teams, constant touring, purchasing studio(or renting) equitement and cd producing equitement.
I dont mean record labels are bad ( they fit rigt in to our current music industry, and our out to help most bands..kinda..) its just not the way I want to go






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    #456643 - 11/12/01 11:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wait a minute blink does suck

heeh I just remembered when the pigs busted one of our kegger concerts( good combo ) I nearly got arrested for loudly stating my opinions when pig said something about us being a three cord band........................ahh good times


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: shaggy101]
    #456748 - 11/13/01 04:56 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

lol "dude" if you could make millions to "sell out" you would
" don't you fuckin lie"
i agree with that three cord shit...the who was three cords
along with thin lizzy.. both excellent bands
people use three cords as an excuse
just like when they say floyd sucks because roger waters is a terrible bass player.. he is a shitty bass player but there is a lot more to it then the bass.. he was a lyricaly conceptual genius and whatever he lacked in gilmour made up for


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #456764 - 11/13/01 06:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Waters shitty?
I disagree.

I would never take millions of dollars for my music either. Money means shit to me.
I would head out on the road and play it to people who wanted to hear it live.



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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Adom]
    #456825 - 11/13/01 09:00 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yeah yeah yeah..
you don't think most say that...
afterall money's what makes the world go around

Waters is not the most talented bass player... compared to others he is shitty.. I am a roger waters fan.. i don't think he is shitty i just think his better attributes to floyd were not really the bass


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #456876 - 11/13/01 10:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

< yeah yeah yeah..
you don't think most say that...
afterall money's what makes the world go around

Again I disagree, but I can not do anything to prove you wrong so believe what you will.


< Waters is not the most talented bass player... compared to others he is shitty.. I am a roger waters fan.. i don't think he is shitty i just think his better attributes to floyd were not really the bass

I don't think like you at all, I try not to compare people to others to form an opinion, I think he worked great in Pink Floyd, just my opinion, but I agree with one thing though his other attributes were much better than his bass playing.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #457072 - 11/13/01 02:41 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

> if you could make millions to "sell out" you would

Fuck that! I despise losers who sell themselves for fame. I would never sell my music for fame and fortune! To hell with that!

Hell, I don't even like recordings. It's live or nothing! I would love to be a signed artist one day. Not for fame. Not for fortune, but for the opportunity to stand in front of thousands of people and fuel their energy while taking them on an emotional ride through your mind. There?s just something about that...

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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Hydro]
    #457084 - 11/13/01 03:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

like i said when a band makes a record and profits off of it they are SELLING THEMSELVES.. floyd said that too.. one of the many things that drove syd
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    #457262 - 11/13/01 06:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i always liked the sound of the bass in pink floyd..simple yet effective.


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    #457555 - 11/13/01 10:40 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

selling yourself and selling out are very different grasshoper... I would not sell out . I have occasional lied though( not perfect ) I have had and declined oppurtunities to make millions, you *probally* have them to ( think about it)
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    #457559 - 11/13/01 10:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Anonymous]
    #457650 - 11/14/01 12:22 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You dont expect much from music and thats fine i personally was expecting something better and i cant be bothered arguing again about this, you like ticks and leechs and it does something for you, i get it at least as much as you but i dont like it its not great art
if i like something different to you im confused? because that to me makes me think your confused

people who follow tool are just the same as people who follow n-sync the fanatics are as defensive of there group in both bands there is similarities between die-hard tool fans and die-hard n-sync bands kids will always be dumb


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    #457771 - 11/14/01 04:15 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: missulena]
    #457776 - 11/14/01 04:23 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"people who follow tool are just the same as people who follow n-sync the fanatics are as defensive of there group in both bands there is similarities between die-hard tool fans and die-hard n-sync bands kids will always be dumb"

there are a lot of dumb ass tool fans so i agree with you there however i dont agree that a tool fan is the same as an nsync fan just for the fact that nsync is crap and has absolutely no artistic value..nsync is all about making a hit single to make a dollar..yes im sure tool wants to make a little money to but they dont try to make every track a hit single that will hit the radios..they actually make there songs 7-9 minutes long purposely so the radio wont play them.

as far as ticks and leeches..i really dont care for the music in this song too much except for after it stops gets slow and comes back in heavy..i think that part of the song is great..but the greatest part of the song is what the lyrics are saying..ive already seen someone here hit it right on the head..its about people like you missulena"hope this is what you wanted cause this is what youre getting" and you thought they were gonna come out with another aenima didnt you?"i hope you choke on this" he's talkin to you again lol


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: shaggy101]
    #457824 - 11/14/01 06:12 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i bet.. don't flatter yourself


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: egolesss]
    #457884 - 11/14/01 08:50 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

By far the biggest sell-out of all time history is Aerosmith. When I saw them perform at half time of the Superbowl with Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears, I vowed to hate them for life -- and boy do I.


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    #457891 - 11/14/01 09:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

HAHA! so true, they also just recorded a commercial for dodge, hows that for selling out?


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Adom]
    #457905 - 11/14/01 09:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

no shit! i saw that commercial last night and it made me think of this thread.
they should have stayed on drugs, then maybe they all would have OD'd and i'd never have to hear that commercial.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: redworm]
    #457949 - 11/14/01 10:09 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't it funny how bands start to really suck after they quit doing drugs? Why, I believe Megadeth could still be a decent band today instead of the goofy shitty band they are if Dave would have just kept filling his veins with speed and heroin.
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
    #458652 - 11/14/01 09:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

calm your ego down and THINK a little bit.. im not talking about making millions thru muzak .. I simply stated that as refrence point to my way of thinking, money is nice it gets u col stuff but i am not driven soely by money our even much at al by it. It seems maybe U are, thats alright though. my music is me I will not change it for any amount of money. end of disscusion


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: egolesss]
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    #458675 - 11/14/01 09:55 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

limp jizkit, fuck fred durst, he fuckin lost all his fans after he went on stage with christina at mtv awards, the only fans he gots now are the fuckin preps and the n'suck pieces of shit, im embarresed to have been a limp bizkit fan, his band sux, except wes boreland, john otton and the drummer, fuck dj lethal and fuck fred. at least wes left, donno what hes gonna do now, but he has tallent. all fred drust gots is his new fans that suck dick.


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: downforpot]
    #460033 - 11/16/01 12:29 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

as lame and pointless as this thread is I can't resist throwing in my two cents. You guys have mentioned some really shitty bands so far. Damn, I can't believe there are still people who listen to Limp Bizkit and Korn. Were they ever good?! A lot of really good people have "sold out" too you know. The day Jimmy Page collaborated with Puff Daddy was a very very sad day for me. Hell, even Pink Floyd sold out after Waters left. Santana also sold his soul so that he could retire with a lot of cash in his pocket. Honestly I think this whole issue is really pointless. Who gives a fuck what a band does to make their living?! It doesn't really change a thing when it comes to their music. The quality of their music will be the true judge of how good or bad a band is, fuck the fame and fortune end of it, thats for losers who mread magazines like Rolling Stone.


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    #463462 - 11/19/01 01:38 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

" Damn, I can't believe there are still people who listen to Limp Bizkit and Korn. Were they ever good?!"


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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Floydian]
    #463816 - 11/19/01 08:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

people will listen to what they like, who are you to say you can't believe they listen to it
im suprised you have the name floydian you closed minded moron

by the way the fans have something to do with bands selling out to... Lots of people listen to floyd because they think its "cool" to.. from what i gather you do too


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    #463857 - 11/19/01 08:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I think you are wrong Glowng-Eleven, we should only listen to what others tell us is cool, like people do..........Floyd built the wall to keep out the fans who the band believed did not understand their music, so he is indeed the perfect fan


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    #463862 - 11/19/01 08:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

no egoless you are wrong
that was only a small part of what the wall was based on..
Pink floyd is my favorite band actually and we will never really know exactly what the music is based on because they don't tell.. for a reason
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    #463905 - 11/19/01 09:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

A big ass wall seperating the musicians from the audience is not what I would call a small part of that album...And they do tell, old interviews with origional band members tell the story, Roger Waters actually says in one interview..I wanted to build something to seperate me from the fans, the fans didn't know what the music was about, they were rowdy and belligerent...


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    #463909 - 11/19/01 09:14 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

we are saying the same damn thing
yes on stage they did build the actual wall for that reason
but the album is based on walls you build in life and what experiences condition you to do so, they built the wall on stage to prove peoples ignorance to the music...
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    #465935 - 11/21/01 06:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

After careful deliberation I'd have to say Britney Spears probly..

man i remember the good ole days.. baby one more time was just for the music right-- and has anyone surpassed those lyrics to this day???.. then all of the sudden she realized, "Hey i have boobs now" and its like she doesnt even write her own stuff any more.. and i heard she doesnt really sing her stuff at concerts.. lip syncs.. lyircs just suck, no depth.. what happened??

it all went downhill with "oops i did it again"

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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Hydro]
    #467673 - 11/23/01 04:37 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Fuck that! I despise losers who sell themselves for fame




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