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 Pynchon
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs?  [Re: flaw]
#451345 - 11/08/01 04:19 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nirvana did sell out. Who cares? They still wrote some great songs.
Korn were always sell-outs, and they always sucked. Together six months before getting a major label deal? What a crock of shit. I'm sure they're swapping vacation spot ideas with Matchbox 20 right about now...
Oh yeah...Limp Bizkit.
Worst.
Band.
Ever.
Edited by Pynchon (11/08/01 04:21 AM)
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 MarleyBob
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
#451568 - 11/08/01 10:16 AM (22 years, 29 days ago) |
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I think the biggest contributor to bands selling out is F*ckin MTV, god i hate that channel, i haven't watched it in about 4 years because of the shithole it turned into, talk about trendy teenybopper bullshit. Anybody who appears live on MTV should be ashamed nowadays. Do they even play music videos anymore??
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TeRzMaStA
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: flaw]
#452182 - 11/08/01 08:19 PM (22 years, 29 days ago) |
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>Changing and evolving a style is a great thing, that is if their was legitimate talent and substance there in the first place
There is a huge difference between selling out and evolving syle. Tool is one of my favorite bands and each one of their cds are different. They are just progessing as musicians. Rage kinda sold out at the end making shitty songs that don't have the substance thier old songs do. If you read the lyrics from all of their cds you will see that they just go downhill. Compare renegades of funk to killing in the name or know ur enemy.
I can't stand radio head. They really annoy me.
In the beginning korn would get drunk and have practice and have good times and all of their songs weren't trying to sound like they have a chip on their shoulder. They sold out and became media whores. you see their name everywhere. their music is bad. all they did was appeal to those dumb ass kids who got into all that shitty angy music.
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Glowing_Eleven
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
#452581 - 11/09/01 06:18 AM (22 years, 29 days ago) |
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The word sell-out is way to over used.... people like to use it as an excuse not to like a band...
it's just stupid
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hubertd8
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thinking that by refusing to answer a question that in your mind is stupid ( and making people know it, ie posting-slight irony) and posting about it dose not make u any smarter then those who have answered it.
"excuse not to like a band... " usually people loved the band at some time and well something changed.
Sell-out in my opinion is basically conforming ones style/lyrics/image/etc. to what would sell the most records at that particular time. I think this is the most direct explanation/definition of a "sell-out"
best example Offspring, 1st they're alternative then bboys come along, (OS->)" wow they sure sell more records then us, lets try to get a piece of it" and they go off making pop and well become what i consider media (ie mtv, mm) whores.
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Glowing_Eleven
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
#453120 - 11/09/01 03:56 PM (22 years, 28 days ago) |
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considering you are the one who posted the post i would expect you to get a tad bit offended...since most seem to think that no question is a stupid question...teachers just say that because they get payed too
every band is a sellout if they sell themselves to a record company... i don't think that is the right word for a band that has changed their music completely to go with the times...
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Glowing_Eleven
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
#453168 - 11/09/01 04:47 PM (22 years, 28 days ago) |
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I agree with you as far as tool goes... that is a perfect example of evolving... people bitch about how their latest isnt anything like their old stuff but their latest shows their growth
the progression is amazing... a friend and i discussed how opiate seems so primal now. To bad the fans are idiots.
They don't get the hint that hooker with a penis and ticks and leeches happens to be about them.... Tool has gotten much better lyrically throughout the albums... the concepts flow a lot better... i don't think people look at it in the right light....i hate hearing people say tool is "dark" music
As far as radiohead goes... i think kid a was good i like the concept. The lyrics are very subtle... yet powerful
Edited by Glowing_Eleven (11/09/01 04:50 PM)
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missulena
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All these bands mentioned were shit in the first place anyway except nirvana,radiohead and tool but i dont agree that tool has evolved i think maybe they have sold out, there old men now theve ran out of ideas i cant see how you could consider lateralus anything but a few steps down from aenima
I hate korn they embarrass me, werent they paid by puma or something to wear puma shoes and clothes?
Edited by missulena (11/09/01 10:04 PM)
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redworm
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: missulena]
#453760 - 11/10/01 08:01 AM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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yeah korn had some contract with puma, adidas too, they're always wearing glittery addidas jumpsuits in their videos. what's next, adidas tear-away kilts?
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: redworm]
#453768 - 11/10/01 08:21 AM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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The Dead Kennedys (apart from Jello Biafra). They sued Jello so they could use there songs on fucking adverts *vomits blood*.
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: missulena]
#454242 - 11/10/01 06:18 PM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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Wait wait wait wait a minute here....
Tool... sold out? Lateralus a step down from aenima? You seem to be confused. Maybe just because you have never been enlightened with what is going on here. Lateralus is a work of art... a total master piece. Just because you don't seem to understand what kind of change has taken place does not mean that they sold out... 100% evolution, and I expect it to go further still...
Maybe some day looking back you will understand.
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flaw
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Anonymous]
#454269 - 11/10/01 06:30 PM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anybody who believes Lateralus is a poor album ought to go out now and just buy the cyndi lauper records that they so dearly wish to purchase.
Tool are a band with substance, they understand the industry and employ a different tactic to what you might call selling out, they use 'the mystery principle' - that is, they don't saturate the market with themselves say like a band like korn. And it works!, the fans can't get enough of tool, because there isn't much tool to go around.
Very smart way of playing the game - selling records and keeping your integrity.
One thing you must understand of course is that from a business perspective there's not much difference to "selling out" and the mystery principle. They are both sound ways of selling records. Tool are a lucky band, not many bands have had the chance to play the game on their own grounds and plenty of bands with substance have been forced into being more visible through the media.
Most of the time the 'selling out' concept is forced upon a band, all money spent on them making records and promo stuff that it requires is LENT to the band. There is a quite a while before the band will even make a dollar for themselves so give some of those bands a break, they're just trying to put food on the table like anybody else.
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djfrog
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: hubertd8]
#454277 - 11/10/01 06:38 PM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jane's Addiction is lame now. I saw them awhile ago and they don't have a new song to show for the last decade or so. And the lead singer just acts like a meathead because its 'cool'.
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makedrugsfree
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Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: djfrog]
#454347 - 11/10/01 07:32 PM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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What the hell are you talking about? Jane's addiction has only had one cd since the original 3, and it was more of a reunion cd with a few new songs than a full blown project. The band members have been doing other things. They havn't even been together for most of the time since the first three. And what does that have to do with selling out anyway?
Most of the posts in this topic have been really weak. Three chord bands like Offspring, Green Day, System Of A Down, blink 182, and others mentioned are only known to you because they "sold out." Their new three chord songs, that either sound remarkably similar to the old, or that suck because they tried something different shouldn't be a shock or called selling out. They are just trying to stay alive in the market without having much talent. The only reason a sucky ass band is known to you at all is because they sold out long ago and are now shoved in your face by MTV and the record industry.
Now don't flame me for saying your favorite band sucks. People have different tastes and opinions. I think that several bands mentioned here are very talented acts.
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makedrugsfree
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I love the lyrics to this TOOL song:
07
Hooker with a Penis
I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope Beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT,
From '92,
The first EP.
And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.
Well now I've got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
I'm the man,
And if I'm the man,
Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.
All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.
So I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,
If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.
All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.
All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar
So...Shut up and
Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.
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Glowing_Eleven
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Normally i would get angry at someone saying tool is a sell out...
It's not even worth it... if someone wants to be a closed minded idiot then that is fine.. people who don't understand lateralus usually say that anyways
That is like the goths that go to tool shows and say lateralus is dark... same concept..ignorance
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Glowing_Eleven
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nah dude ticks and leeches is more descriptive of the morons that claim tool is not the same and that they sold out
I can't believe idiots mosh at tool, can you imagine people moshing at floyd?
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Necron99
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Rainbow]
#454489 - 11/10/01 10:05 PM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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Klaus, East Bay Ray and D.H. sued Jello over royalties that he didn't pay them while continuing to make lots of money off of the albums in CD form.
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makedrugsfree
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Yeah, moshing is funny sometimes. When I went to Radiohead this summer Thom Yorke made fun of the audience for moshing. I live in Alaska and there is moshing at litterally every concert. I went to Cake a few years ago and the band actually stopped playing and asked the audience what they thought they were doing.
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Dystopian Harbinger
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 Re: Biggest Band Sell-Outs? [Re: Necron99]
#454656 - 11/11/01 01:57 AM (22 years, 27 days ago) |
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I cant believe they sued Jello over that. How pathetic. Next I am going to see Black Flag-"My War" in an army recruitment video....whats the world coming to
Limp...biggest sellout ever. Come on, to remake house of pain's Jump Around less than 10 years after the initial release....they screamed sellout from the word go
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