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Sorting through old hunts (pics)
    #4465489 - 07/28/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

A few weeks ago, when there were tons of mushrooms and I had very little spare time, I picked some interesting stuff and took pictures, but I didn't have time to really look at them.

I did print a number of them and dryed them, but I didn't have time to sort through them and my wife was pretty tired of all the mushrooms all over the house so I had to tuck them away.

so I'm now trying to start the sort, if it's possible.
All are from my new digs here in Nova (northern virginia,usa). and found growing on large lawns.

Here are some pics of a few.

no I know there's no way to hope for a great ID without having prints available (if i can make sense of the ones I have i will update the info) but I thought I'd throw these up and see if they rung a bell with anyone.

some did blue at base and you can sorta see it on one of these larger middle ones.


hopefully these last ones will provide a little scale.

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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: mikonn]
    #4465515 - 07/28/05 07:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

active pans, picked those before never id'd %100. but definately psychadellic panaeolus.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4465523 - 07/28/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

They look to me like mostly subbs (they lose color when they dry) and maybe some other species.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4465524 - 07/28/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

are those more powerful than cubes?


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: shroomer88]
    #4465580 - 07/28/05 07:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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shroomer88 said:
are those more powerful than cubes?




Probably not.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: HuckleBones]
    #4465596 - 07/28/05 07:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

man wtf i had shrooms just like that when i found some. sporeprint was black, gills were black, had a bluefoot, but oh no, shroomydan said they were pan foes. what a crock of shit. i knew they were subbs.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: shroomer88]
    #4465610 - 07/28/05 07:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

they are weaker than cubensis, and smaller on average.

mikonn: i can't find any blue in that image.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: canid]
    #4465751 - 07/28/05 08:30 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm no expert by any means, but those don't look like they're anything active.

edit: Some of those look like they could be Panaeolus castaneifolius which, according to Stamets, are only sometimes active. And even when they are active, they're weakly active.

Again, I'm no expert so you should probably wait for a more informed opinion.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: strun9x0ut]
    #4466277 - 07/28/05 10:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Whats making everyone think they are active pan subbs? Those look like foes to me, not subbs. Or they could be something else. Whatever the case, I really doubt that they are subbs.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Ramuh]
    #4466395 - 07/28/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

whatleads everyone to entertain the thought that they are active is the claim that some of them bruised blue. without prints [and certainty about wich specimens they came from] we can not even determine a genus with any certainty. if the gills are grey where they have not sporulated, mottled black where they have and exhibit cheilocystidia [sterile cells allong the edge of the gill plates causing them to be white] then a genus of Panaeolous can be presumed. if gills are uniformly dark geryish brown with less pronounced cheilocystidia, Panaeolina can be presumed.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: canid]
    #4466404 - 07/28/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

hey concretefeet,

here is where I thought I was seeing some blueing


now the rest is from memory. And judging from the rest I might say that there is no blueing going on. It's all academic though as I don't know if I could even find these in my unsorted dried stacks. Blah.

If no blueing is present, doe's it then strike a chord with anyone?

I think I can fairly well say that it's not a subb or a foe.

Mitchnast,
Did you make any posts of the ones that you mentioned? if so would it be possible for you to link to them?

Some thing about the quality of the cap says Psilcoybe to me. I think its the shine of the cuticle and the transparency. maybe an inactive Psilcoybe?

anyway...gotta go just find some new ones...if the weather will cooperate.
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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: canid]
    #4466435 - 07/28/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh..Ive seen some foes with blue bases before.

And as for the potency, subbs are far less potent than cubes. Eating 5-8g dried of subbs really wouldn't be super insane. 4-5g would probably be a good dosage to start off with on subbs. I started with 3.2ish on subbs, and hit a level 2 (def not a three, but getting there almost maybe.).

Next dose I think Ill take 5-6g, and hope for a very solid 3.

Anyway, overall they look really white to be a subb. Also I think I see some pretty clear vertical grooves running on a couple of them. I could be wrong, just my opinion that they are foes / nonactive.

*edit - that very last one looks slightly more promising than the others, though.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: ChickenNugget]
    #4466528 - 07/28/05 11:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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man wtf i had shrooms just like that when i found some. sporeprint was black, gills were black, had a bluefoot, but oh no, shroomydan said they were pan foes. what a crock of shit. i knew they were subbs.




They're NOT subbs. They're an active species of Panaeolus.

For those of you who haven't been around for as long as Mitch and I have, heres how Mitch knows whats up with the Pans: A few years back he fertilized his lawn with something like 2 truck loads of horse and cow(?) shit. Just about every possible species of Panaeolus grew from his yard that summer and he was able to seperate the different species and test out their activity. I'd take Mitch's word on the activity of Pans any day.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #4466589 - 07/28/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Very interesting..

Now I am curious, as I have seen stuff similar to this and have disregarded it as foes. They do look a hell of a lot like foes. Is there anyway he could give us more insight into this species? Is this a somewhat common lawn species? I know he said he never got a 100% ID on them, but any info he could have would be awesome.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #4466606 - 07/28/05 11:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Gumby,

I believe Mitchnast.
Here's a few picks.


see how the cuticle is so thin and transparent. how it almost is flaking off.
Is this indicative of any particular species?


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: mikonn]
    #4466694 - 07/29/05 12:12 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure if it's indicative of any species or not. Panaeolus is one of those genera where differntiating species is best done microscopically with a copy of the monogram in hand. Very difficult genus to identify to a species because they all look alike. To complicate things further, Panaeolina and Panaeolus look very similar too.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #4467032 - 07/29/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

heres some of what gumby mentioned with the yard shrooms. and actually it was spent mushroom compost, re-pasturied. straw and poultry manure of all things. when you mix it right its a great substrate.




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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4467080 - 07/29/05 01:29 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

generally ive found if its a panaeolus, (has a black print not brown) is growing on a well manured lawn, and is not pan sphinctrinus theres a good chance its active.
if it blues at the white base thats another indication, but it does not always occur.

basically you take all the mushrooms you pick and lay them out for printing with their stipe beside them then come around and collect them dry,
if you picked some paneolinas by mistake you will know because the print is brown.
weed them out and keep whatever has a black print.

you should also be able to identify psathyrella velutina.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4467391 - 07/29/05 02:39 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Learn something new every day ...

So no species? Or guesses? Just curious.


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Re: Sorting through old hunts (pics) [Re: strun9x0ut]
    #4472450 - 07/30/05 02:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

one can only guess, and a guess is only that.
i see variables that suggest multiple species.
some are much like pan castenifolius.
MJ mentioned some appeared to tbe a likely pan. microsporus.


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