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    #4464610 - 07/28/05 03:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

okay im gonna use the corn for substrate...after my jars colonize and i prepare a casing mix... i want to know if i can use just perlite and water? can i use peat moss? can i use any pre-made potting mix (not soil mix)? I was gonna put a layer of perlite on the bottom and then put a layer of sphagnum moss place cakes on top does that sound good?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464638 - 07/28/05 03:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Read some of the casing TEK's. Should help you get a better understanding of the casing layer.

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4464717 - 07/28/05 03:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i have read them .. i just trying to find out if i can use peat moss or a potting pre made mix ?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464757 - 07/28/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

jiffy mix = 50% peatmoss / 50% vermiculite + ph stabilizer... :smile:

got this off a tek i read on this site... so you might want to double check..


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4464811 - 07/28/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

okay this is my question... if i cannot use vermiculite for casing... can i just use sphagnum moss with perlite under it ?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464816 - 07/28/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Take a suitable amount of moist Jiffy Mix (or 50/50 casing mix) and create a top layer. You want to put on just enough so none of the white mycelium shows though. Using vermiculite for the top layer is alright too, but it just doesn't hold as much water. Oh, and in case you didn't already know, 50/50 casing mix is composed of 50% peatmoss and 50% vermiculite. Jiffy Mix is the same thing, only you can get it from Walmart and it has a certain amount of lime added to adjust the pH level. I believe it's only $2-3 for a whole bag, so it's a good deal.



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Re: casing substitutes [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4464842 - 07/28/05 04:08 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

so your saying i can just use the jiffy mix and nothing else..


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464862 - 07/28/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, but you might want to add some crushed oyster sheel for some long term buffering.

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4464893 - 07/28/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

so let me get this straight ... i take perlite and put a 1" layer on bottom of the box then use a metal screen to hold the cakes then place cakes on the screen and then put a layer of jiffy mix and im all set to go?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464913 - 07/28/05 04:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No. You really need to read about casing.

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4464927 - 07/28/05 04:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i have read them... but i cannot get vermiculite .. so with that in mind... im looking to see if i can just use sphagnum moss with perlite under it..


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464954 - 07/28/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Don't know which ones you're reading, but I've never read one that said anything about putting perlite on the bottom, then a screen and so on.

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4464973 - 07/28/05 04:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

here read this ... this is what i read
Take the cakes out of the jars, and put them on a wire screen table that completely covers the fruiting container, and is about 2 inches off the bottom; quarter-inch squares in the screen work well. I like to use wet perlite in the bottom of the cooler, under the table of wire so the kids have enough humidity.
This is the good part. Go to Manards hardware store, or some store like that, and get sphagnum moss. This moss grows in swamps, I have seen it in da U.P. in many bogs. You buy it in a green bag in the garden section, and it says "All Natural GREEN MOSS Decorative Sheet Moss" on the front of the bag.

Take the bag home, and wash it with regular water, paying attention to the removal of sticks, dirt, and other shit that is not moss. Other wise you get cake injuries and weird green fungus from the sticks, and germs and other contamination from the dirt.

Squeeze it well, but leave it damp, and place the sphagnum moss around every cake. I didn't put any moss on top of the cakes, I thought it may interfere with photo-tropism. When the basidiocarps begin coming up, dampen the moss carefully using an empty spore syringe. Keep the moss damp, if you put too much water in the moss, it is alright, it will go into the perlite.

Here is what happens - the cakes will extend mycelia into the moss, and when the mushrooms come up and the moss gets wet, the fungus puts this water into the mushrooms and makes them grow fast and fat as hell. Than they elongate and get big. When some 'shrooms start getting dark streaks in them, you know that you have been watering them too much.

Now I don't know if this is a new or good idea or what, but I think it works well, and I will continue my mycologic experimentations until I am dead because I love everything about it, and I will even teach my grandchildren how to do it when I am old and decrepit. Put this in your growing techniques section of the Shroomery if you want, it is a good way to do it.


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4464999 - 07/28/05 04:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

That's not really a true casing. More like a double ended casing TEK for cakes, kind like this,



works well but not really a true casing. More of a glorified way to do cakes.

He even states,

Now I don't know if this is a new or good idea or what, but I think it works well, and I will continue my mycologic experimentations until I am dead because I love everything about it, and I will even teach my grandchildren how to do it when I am old and decrepit. Put this in your growing techniques section of the Shroomery if you want, it is a good way to do it.

Check on some of the other casing TEK's.

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A true casing might have a 1/2" of damp vermiculite on the bottom, followed by 2 - 6 inches of substrate,( WBS, Rye, or crumbled up cakes), and topped with a casing layer of between 1/2" - 2".

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4465042 - 07/28/05 05:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

sorry im not trying to be cocky im just fustrated cause i cannot find any verm out by me and i got rid of all my credit cards so i cannot order it online yet.. so i think i might try that method.. do you think i should sterilize the moss before i use it ?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4465052 - 07/28/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Most peeps do when using it for casings. I had trouble finding verm also. Call your local nurseries.

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Re: casing substitutes [Re: HippieChick]
    #4465196 - 07/28/05 05:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

believe me i called everything around my area for 3 days now.. i ran out of places to call... should i sterilize the moss before i use it?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4465293 - 07/28/05 06:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'd just use Jiffy mix and call it the day man.


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4465541 - 07/28/05 07:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

when u say just use jiffy mix .. do u mean put perlite down then the screen then cakes and then JUST jiffy on and around the cakes?


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Re: casing substitutes [Re: tony8404]
    #4465550 - 07/28/05 07:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

what do u mean just use jiffy mix explain please?


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