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OfflineBlueOrb
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Why pasturise poo?
    #4463721 - 07/28/05 10:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hi,

Why cant't poo be P/C instead of pasturised?

Thinking of trying poo next time.

Also, I am not sure how old my horse poo is. It doesnt smell bad anymore and some of it is turning white. Will this be ok to use now?


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4463732 - 07/28/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You should pastuerize it instead of PC because h-poo contains some bacteria/fungus that help fight off contams and is actually benefitial to your mushroom colony. If you PC the shit it will kill the good stuff.


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4463734 - 07/28/05 10:29 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Just checked the poo by hand and it is very dry and light. So this will be ok now will it?

Just need to know about the pasturising issue, as I would sooner p/c it.

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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4463760 - 07/28/05 10:45 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it sounds like it is ready to use.
pasturizing is just as freedom fight said above your last post.
you can pc it but you are asking for mold/bacterial blooms by doing so.

there are those here that don't do either and are having good luck.

do a little searching on the subject and you will find all your answers. there have been so many posts on the subject. do a post search by user: look for posts by agar on the subject, he has put alot of info on horse poo here for us.

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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: backupwards]
    #4463807 - 07/28/05 11:05 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers backupwards.............help much apreciated.

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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: backupwards]
    #4463812 - 07/28/05 11:06 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

agar has spoken of PF poo jars in the microwave which are sterilised. It is usually used in bulk substrates so people can put pillow cases in big 55gallon drums and pastuerise it quicker than doing lots of small amounts in a PC. The beneficial bacteria will be killed but I am not sure about PC'd poo being more susceptable for bacterial blooms, I thought that happened if you boiled the poo rather than pasteurise or PC.


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: blackout]
    #4463827 - 07/28/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It would be easier for me to P/C as I am only growing a small amount. This will also be the first attempt at poo. I do not have any bags that can withstand the heat of the pan for pasturisation.

What has misled me is that it says in the Tek that the water temp should be closely monitored. I asume that this means letting the temp get too high could be detrimental to the poo?

So now I am onfused.

I will go search and read a little, and will come back here if I can't find more info.

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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4463846 - 07/28/05 11:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

How are you confused...in poo there are living things, the bad ones area killed at 165, the good ones are killed higher then that (PCs sterilize at 250). You go above the pasteurizeing temps, you kill the good stuff and you can no longer follow any teks that have to do with pasteurizing. You must now work in a glove box or flowhood, you must do it carfully, you must keep everything COMPLETLY sterile, and things will most likly contam.

Because you are missing this good thing (its a fungus called firefang) which you kill off by going over a certain temperature. WITH firefang, you can spawn the poo open air with colonized grains and you do not have to be sterile.

Get it?


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4463866 - 07/28/05 11:27 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Now it becomes clear!

Thankyou for your explanation.

As I do not have any plastic/autoclave bags, can I just use an old pillow case in the pan?

Or maybe a shopping carrier bag would do?


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4463882 - 07/28/05 11:31 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A pillowcase works, but you need to follow a tek for that, Roadkill has a nice one I think. With that, you get the water content right AFTER pasteurizing, with agars tek and the PP bags, you get the water content in the poo right, THEN pastuerize..so its just a little different. Other then that its the same though..the pillowcase will just need to drip for along time (12-24 hours maybe) and will probably need to be squeezed out until you get the right water content, then you can mix it up in tubs with spawn, and let that colonize. Good luck!


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4463992 - 07/28/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers scatmanrav.


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #4464068 - 07/28/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I recently pc'd some poo and tried a casing, and even though I used a glovebox and did everything as sterile as possible, the poo contam'd in a matter of days :sad:, where as my grain jars pc'd in the same batch did not :cool:. It's poop folks :rolleyes:, that should be expected, especially with no safegaurds in place (ie; the poo's own national gaurd)I am swiftly becoming a pasturizing maniac :crazy2:. Take the advice given on this site and your success rate with soar. Don't take it, and well... GOOD LUCK!


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Re: Why pasturise poo? [Re: austio_ferocious]
    #4464158 - 07/28/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Beter learn to pasturise then.....I think I am getting hooked on this hobby......I want to try everything all at once!!

I am still looking foward to trying azurcens, cyancescens and truffles, the list just goes on and on.

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