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Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick
    #4463189 - 07/28/05 04:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I fucking hate chapstick. its use begets use, in other words it has an addictive quality, but biologically.
I see people who use chapstick all the time, and they constantly need it, winter or summer time, no matter what. It is like drinking coffee, if you do it for long enough, and then stop, you will have physiological adverse side-effects.
You are conditioning your body (lips) to recognize that you dont need any protective oils on your lips, and should jsut go spend its efforts elswhere.
If you start using chapstick, you will forever use chapstick, until we find some national problem and create "chapstick anonymous" for those of you who have trouble shaking the addiction of chapstick.... thanks for using up my future tax dollars...


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4463302 - 07/28/05 04:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Bullshit.  My lips have always been extremely dry.  I used to never use chapstick, up until I was about 15.  I started using blistex every day and my lips have improved.  :whatever:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4463586 - 07/28/05 08:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, that's a myth too. I was reading about it, its addictive qualities are entirely psychological, stopping its use wont dry out your lips or anything, itll just feel like it does if you're used to it.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4463589 - 07/28/05 08:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

PS. There's already "chapstick anonymous", and those groups are private, not government funded.

Methinks its a lucky man who has the luxury to complain about laundry and lip balm.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4463907 - 07/28/05 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How about people who are addicted to chapstick...that is hilarious. Anyone ever see the first part of the movie "Napoleon Dynamite" where the main character tries to get his brother to come get him at school because he forgot his chapstick? In all seriousness, though, I was on a military operation while in the Army and we were on the Big Island of Hawaii (Hawaii) in the lava fields where it was very windy. Thay gave us chapstick and told us to use it...I didn't for a few days and my lips got chapped and cracked and bled. I started using it but I was too late. My lips eventually dried up and peeled off. It hurt like a bitch. I looked really fucked up for about 2 months after that.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4464247 - 07/28/05 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Put this for nose-spray, and it is true :wink:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464433 - 07/28/05 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

my ex was like napolean dynamite when it came to her chapstick.

huge nerd lol. but when she was in high school and she forgot it she would have to call and somehow get it or she would leave and go home.

i think she has overcome the addiciton tho.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464471 - 07/28/05 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Put this for nose-spray, and it is true"

Fuck that shit. I was addicted to fucking nosespray for 3 years. That shit is worse than heroin. Things are bad when you would strangle your mother for a bottle of nosespray. That has got to be the funniest and most pathetic thing I have done.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4464608 - 07/28/05 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, that's a myth too. I was reading about it, its addictive qualities are entirely psychological, stopping its use wont dry out your lips or anything, itll just feel like it does if you're used to it.




It is still a physical and mental crutch. I think chapstick should be considered a scheduled drug. I make all my girlfriends remove lipstick and chapstick before i will even kiss them. Something about oils that I have a great aversion to.
Our bodies are highly adaptable to climate. Sure for the first few months of being in Hawaii some peoples lips will crack, but your body will grow accustomed to the climate. Im sure not every single native hawaian goes around slopping on chapstick every 6 hours.
In applying chapstick, you have created false conditions so that your body never has to adapt. Just like children who were highly coddled in a highly disinfected home have way more allergies and a very weak immune system.
I grew up on the mississippi gulf coast, and spent all day outside getting scrapes, ingesting unwashed and dirty various things. I have a remarkable digestive system and immune system. I can count on one hand the times I have been sick, as well as having not one allergy and have won some money on a few occasions rubbing poison ivy on myself (which i have no adverse reactions to, and yes, i constantly hear the bullshit that comes with the Poison Ivy myth).
Just remember, what doesnt kill you only makes you stronger, and coddling your body and mind will leave it much more susceptible.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4464675 - 07/28/05 03:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Sure for the first few months of being in Hawaii some peoples lips will crack, but your body will grow accustomed to the climate. Im sure not every single native hawaian goes around slopping on chapstick every 6 hours."

This was not normal Hawaii. No Hawaiians live there. It is quite uninhabited. 35 degrees at night....95 degrees durng the day...constant wind. Without some protection you would go lipless as I did. We were on the lower slopes of Mauna Loa. Look at the image...this ain't palm trees and sand. This was our training area.



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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4464729 - 07/28/05 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so are you saying that your body, no matter what, wouldnt have been able to adapt?


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4464877 - 07/28/05 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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"Put this for nose-spray, and it is true"

Fuck that shit. I was addicted to fucking nosespray for 3 years. That shit is worse than heroin. Things are bad when you would strangle your mother for a bottle of nosespray. That has got to be the funniest and most pathetic thing I have done.



A friend of mine (yes, this time, really :wink:) had some wild addiction to that stuff and told me his problems, and how hard it was for him, to get off it. It seems there also come some kind of psychologic aspects to play. Even, the strongening symptoms, if he leaves the spray away, were dominant, but perhaps much psychosomatics, too ?
Perhaps theres some relation to chapstick ?
Most of, because, I think, if you defeat the symptoms, or force your body to 'be' somehow (oily lips, unswollen nose), and then if you leave the treat, your body can not re-act fast enough, because he got 'used to' the 'forced condition'. hat results in dry lips, swollen nose. That could also leave place for psychologic interpretations.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4464928 - 07/28/05 04:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I could have suffered through it(which I did)...but my point was chapstik isn't a total scam...it can help. I have to say, though, that I haven't used chapstik since then.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464938 - 07/28/05 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Chapstik addiction may be psychological, but nose spray has a physical component. It shrinks mucous membranes and produces less snot. After your addicted your natural antihistamines quit working so to have an unblocked breathing passage you need nosespray. It only takes 24 hours to break the addiction, but it is 24 hours of hell. Getting off booze was almost easier.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4464963 - 07/28/05 04:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, but what if chapstick-addiction is somehow similar in a physical way, as I described it, and you know it, like nosespray ?
To stay in your words, perhaps after addicted, your natural lip-oil-producers quit working, so to have a smoothy nonsplissing lips, you need chapsick ?
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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464979 - 07/28/05 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Weird but not impossible.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4465229 - 07/28/05 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey psilocyb, I will be your advocat on this consumers conditioning series :smile:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4465255 - 07/28/05 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Edit: Eh.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: TheCow]
    #4465284 - 07/28/05 06:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

my first advocate...

next we tackle why dog food is shaped like bones, chicken and fish...


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4465325 - 07/28/05 06:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

(hmm..or what about conditioning on ever bigger and more expesive cars to express their material superiority about others ? Same with watches :wink: But mostly, those conditioning relate somwhere with the corruptiveness of our politicans. So you better take the lead, I will fill the blanks :smile:)


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4465598 - 07/28/05 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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my first advocate...

next we tackle why dog food is shaped like bones, chicken and fish...



No dog food I have ever bought has been shaped like that. Frankly I find this whole series to just be mundane ramblings by a person who thinks they are more knowledgeable then they are.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: TheCow]
    #4465657 - 07/28/05 08:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why do most dog/cat foods have a picture of a dog/cat on them? the product doesn't contain any dog/cat (i hope). This goes for toilet paper too. most brands have a puppy on them. it's simple. package cloning. copy the marketing strategies of the market leader. thats why dog biscuits are bone shaped. someone thought it was a good idea and everyone cloned it.

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No dog food I have ever bought has been shaped like that.


thats because you buy the cheap stuff :smile:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: psychomime]
    #4465750 - 07/28/05 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No toilet paper I have ever bought has ever had anything printed on it. I dont buy cheap dog food, well not regularly, and it has always just been like little cubes/spheres of dry shit. There are many problems with commercialism, but this poster hasnt made any good points as far as I can see. I have no problem with him pointing them out if they were true, or insightful in any way.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4466415 - 07/28/05 11:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You make girls remove chapstick before kissing them?

If you're so worried about coddling yourself, why not live in the forest, naked, off of small animals and berries?

I think there are actual problems in the world.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4466430 - 07/28/05 11:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Has anybody ever tried mainlining nosespray...or how about freebasing chapstick....


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4467774 - 07/29/05 04:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is not the designated dog food thread, i will make one in due time, but for now, lets get back on topic if there is anymore to be said about chapstick.

As for you, The Cow, maybe my threads are trite and IYO attempting to flaunt intelligence (im not sure how you made that correlation), but what does that make you for posting even more trite and pretentious stuff in a thread accused of brimming with said characteristics?
Everyone here needs to stop taking everything so damn seriously. I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.
You know, go ahead and agree or disagree with me followed by your personal thoughts as to why, i dont make these threads in hopes that everyone will agree and say "gee psilocyberin, you are a genius".
How abotu trying to stimulate alternative thoughts or perspectives instead of post-whoring and semi-trolling other peoples threads....


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4467987 - 07/29/05 07:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> next we tackle why dog food is shaped like bones, chicken and fish..

Spooky... I was wondernig about that yesterday morning when I was feeding the cat.  Small world... or are you one of those secret CIA remote controls (or whatever they call them) that read peoples minds?  :wink:

Edit: In an attempt to get back on topic...

I have read that some types of chapstick (white bottle with a yellow lid... carmen or carmex or something close to that) actually add in something to cut up the lips even more.  The chapstick still feels good, and the cuts keep the person wanting to apply more to soothe the pain.  I always assumed this was an urban legend, but donno.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4468068 - 07/29/05 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.

No, you can't make one statement which is clearly wrong without people coming in and wanting evidence. That is good, it shows people are on their toes. If people were allowed to babble on and make up negative things about other things, and be accepted, the world would be a shitty place.

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Phluck: I very much want to move out in the woods and wash my hands of society and american ideology, but im working on getting my MacGuyver certification and i cant plug a soldering iron into a tree to make it work...




Okay. Personally, I find it odd how so many people hate everything about modern society. You won't find any less greed and hypocrisy amongst the squirrels though.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4468459 - 07/29/05 12:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.

No, you can't make one statement which is clearly wrong without people coming in and wanting evidence. That is good, it shows people are on their toes. If people were allowed to babble on and make up negative things about other things, and be accepted, the world would be a shitty place.




This wasnt really directed towards you, but I would like to address this issue further. This is the spirituality and philosophy forum, not the science and technology forum. Usually things metaphysical, spiritual, or attempts to answer the big WHY and What of the universe can neither be directly proven right or wrong. Sure, in many instances there are multiple scientific studies which can help or detract from your topic, and Im not necessarily saying that asking for scientific backing is useless, it was more a general gripe.....BUT! it does seem to detract from the (IMO) point of the S&P forum when topics are derailed via arguing semantics and inevitably ending in an attempt to discredit sources.
It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it. I also see all too often here the ignoring of philosophical counter arguments once the "Scientists" have presented some link.
Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.

Now, if I am making a thread that claims foundation in science , like my QP thread, then it is most definitly fair game for the scientists to attack, but things of this topics nature, which are not directly testable are left to the philosophers to haggle over.

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Phluck: I very much want to move out in the woods and wash my hands of society and american ideology, but im working on getting my MacGuyver certification and i cant plug a soldering iron into a tree to make it work...




Okay. Personally, I find it odd how so many people hate everything about modern society. You won't find any less greed and hypocrisy amongst the squirrels though.




Im not tryign to get aay from greed or hypocrisy, to do that i would have to kill myself. I dont see modern society making life any easier, if anything, it complicates life and takes focus away from living and being happy and onto materialistic shit and rat races... is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Im not neccesarily wanting to get away from the people, but the constant immersion into purely self absorbed logic and materialism i keep finding myself drowning in.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4470174 - 07/29/05 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it.

That's because the burden of proof is always on the person making the extreme claim. I've said this a million times before: If I told you there were unicorns on Mars, would that make any sense? Would my saying it make it any more likely to be true? Of course not, I'd need some kind of proof. You could tell me all you wanted that there was no reason to think that those unicorns are there, but if I asked you to prove to me that they weren't there, that would be silly. That would require searching the entire planet for one specific thing that there's no reason to believe is there in the first place.

Is the concept of 'burden of proof' making sense yet?


Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.


The source's validity in this case, is just you saying that chapstick is physically addictive. This is an urban legend, it's untrue, the only sources claiming otherwise are rumors. Your entire argument is based on a myth, I don't see how that shouldn't be criticized.

is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Nature is a hell of a lot worse. How will I eat tonight? Will this get infected? Am I going to have to amputate myself? Am I going to have to pull the tooth myself? Are these poisonous? What do I do now that I know they're poisonous? Why is there a bear sleeping on my stuff?

Nobody is forcing you to care about celebrities lives, and personal grooming is a pretty small price to pay for living in a world where the constant threat of death and disease surrounds you.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4470289 - 07/29/05 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it.

That's because the burden of proof is always on the person making the extreme claim. I've said this a million times before: If I told you there were unicorns on Mars, would that make any sense? Would my saying it make it any more likely to be true? Of course not, I'd need some kind of proof. You could tell me all you wanted that there was no reason to think that those unicorns are there, but if I asked you to prove to me that they weren't there, that would be silly. That would require searching the entire planet for one specific thing that there's no reason to believe is there in the first place.

Is the concept of 'burden of proof' making sense yet?




So, any and all topics, that have yet to have a scientific research team and a panel of peer review should never be speculated upon or discussed. If i wanted to discuss the possibility of unicorns on mars, would i have to wait until scientific proof comes out either way to open that discussion? well, sorry but im not going to sit around and limit my imagination according to what scientists have done or not done, these same people who are usually too busy testing the speed at which catsup leaves the bottle anyway.

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Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.


The source's validity in this case, is just you saying that chapstick is physically addictive. This is an urban legend, it's untrue, the only sources claiming otherwise are rumors. Your entire argument is based on a myth, I don't see how that shouldn't be criticized.




here is a good example of what i was previously talking about. Your first post here was about how YOU read some article that claims this is all a myth.....which was the extent of your scientific inquiry, then i made a counter argument which IMO had valid points and the subject was dropped until now by you.
If there is such a thing as chapstick dependancy groups, doesnt that tell you something? as well as my argument about creating false conditions and environments which stunt your bodies ability to adapt.

here is a great website which is half serious and half joking, much on par with the feeling I wanted for this thread... http://www.kevdo.com/lipbalm/chapstick.html

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is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Nature is a hell of a lot worse. How will I eat tonight? Will this get infected? Am I going to have to amputate myself? Am I going to have to pull the tooth myself? Are these poisonous? What do I do now that I know they're poisonous? Why is there a bear sleeping on my stuff?




life and survival would be a lot more rewarding at the end of the day if my greatest daily accomplishment was paying my electricity bill. Also worse and better are judgement calls, there are a few week long trips I take almost every year in which I have to ask myself these questions, and I love it...

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Nobody is forcing you to care about celebrities lives, and personal grooming is a pretty small price to pay for living in a world where the constant threat of death and disease surrounds you.




your right, no one is forcing me to do that, but to be a part of society, and function inside of it, it is much mroe difficult to keep yourself seperate from becoming a self-absorbed american slob...


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    #4470319 - 07/29/05 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and here is another great website which addresses this issue...

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    #4470612 - 07/29/05 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Neither of your websites have any evidence to support the claim that your lips produce less moisture, the addiction is entirely psychological, like chewing gum or biting your nails.

Just because you follow mainstream things like celebrity gossip doesn't make you any less intelligent or more self absorbed than anyone else. Hating those things is just another set of irrational biases that people develop.

The whole "mainstream culture is fucked up" mindset is just as warped and childish as the mindset that takes tabloids seriously.


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    #4470652 - 07/29/05 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

And in the end, chapstick users merely shell out $1.50 every week and don't think twice, while others analyze and critique this behavior in an attempt at gaining insight into spirituality and philosophy.


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    #4470719 - 07/29/05 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did you even read the second page? it had a couple of scientists talking about how some of the chemicals found in blistex, carmex and other chapsticks either have numbing qualities or can actually make your lips drier.
You keep proving my points about how once a counter-argument link has been presented you attack its validity with nothing more than, "it doesnt say anything". In the second link, it quotes multiple scientists and doctors regarding the effects of chapstick.


society and culture can do whatever they please, i dont directly hate those things, what i keep saying is that i hate the effect it has on me.
Mainstream culture is in no way condusive to furthering intelligence or spirituality, it is simply a distraction, and while im sure a majority of people love anything that can take their mind off their own self-imposed miserable reality (like TV), it isnt something that i agree with at all. It has exceeded being just entertainment and become a way of life, peoples days and conversations are evolved around whether or not brad pitt really cheated on jennifer aniston, or whether paula abdul really fucked a constestant.


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    #4471597 - 07/29/05 11:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think Psilocyberin wins this one. The article did mention that that the active ingredient in one formulation dries surface skin.


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    #4471616 - 07/29/05 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed, but that is supposedly to help get rid of cold sores and such.

I never use chapstick except when my lips are peeling or bleeding, but for occassional use (a couple times a month at most) it works well. From experience it never dries out my lips, but I'm also don't grease my lips with it every few minutes.


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    #4472751 - 07/30/05 04:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed, but that is supposedly to help get rid of cold sores and such.

Cold sores are located upon the surface of the skin are they not?

I used to apply a thin layer of petroleum jelly across the surfact of any normally dry areas of skin after showering and it worked quite well. It locked in the moisture from the shower and it lasted all day.

After regularly taking flax oil I found I could stop that treatment as my skin corrected its dryness from the inside-out.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: zorbman]
    #4474465 - 07/30/05 08:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)


I think Psilocyberin wins this one. The article did mention that that the active ingredient in one formulation dries surface skin.


I don't get how drying your skin out has anything to do with addictiveness... If you simply don't apply for a few hours you'll be fine. It doesn't change the way your body moisturizes the lips at all.


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    #4474493 - 07/30/05 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Mainstream culture is in no way condusive to furthering intelligence or spirituality, it is simply a distraction

Bullshit. That's nothing more than an elitist way of brushing off an entire range of art and culture that you feel superior to.

People don't generally consider certain forms of art or culture refined becuase they are superior, they do so because they've been told that's the case. Shakespeare used to be considered just a bunch of entertainment for the lower segments of society, but is now considered highly refined, mostly because everyone is taught how to think about it all through school.

When you realize that even what you consider to be the most trite and simplistic forms of entertainment are often created by highly inventive intellectually minded people, it takes on a whole new light.

Gossip has always been a part of culture. Apparently two thirds of all human conversation is gossip.
http://www.i-c-r.org.uk/lectures/spr2002/fox15Jun2002.htm

We have a worldwide, interconnected society, its only natural that our gossip expands to that scale. Trying to pass yourself off as superior to all this just makes you look arrogant and elitist.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4475299 - 07/31/05 12:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think that aluminum deoderant, fluoride toothpaste, chemical soaked cigarettes, tylenol, and mcdonalds should be added to the list.


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    #4475305 - 07/31/05 12:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1) dont you understand that if some chemicals in chapstick can dry your lips out, it can create its own need via uncomfortablity, thus making you use more chapstick? there is more than just one type of addiction.

2)where did all this elitist and superiority talk come from? I never said anything like that at all. All I have to say to this though, is Mad tv....


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    #4476057 - 07/31/05 03:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Could it be that chapstick works as an in-demand product in the same way that pretzels, popcorn, and peanuts are offered free in many bars? To dry you out. The salty snacks dehydrate you, making you thirsty and willing to order more drinks. The chapstick dries your lips, making you reach for even more chapstick..In this way the product creates its own demand- very clever.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: zorbman]
    #4476063 - 07/31/05 03:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

At the beginning of this post I merely said that up until I was 15 I never used chapstick. I have since then, but have of course taken breaks during those 5 years. And if I stop my lips return back to dry, just as they were before I started chapstick entirely.


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    #4476564 - 07/31/05 09:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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dont you understand that if some chemicals in chapstick can dry your lips out, it can create its own need via uncomfortablity, thus making you use more chapstick? there is more than just one type of addiction.




It seems to me that the only people who use chapstick compulsively started because they had chapped lips over a long period of time, not because of a sudden need after isolated use. It seems to me that an effect which likely has no bearing on people's cravings for chapstick is being touted as "proof" that its addictive.

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where did all this elitist and superiority talk come from? I never said anything like that at all. All I have to say to this though, is Mad tv....




No, obviously you didn't say that you're a superior elitist. You said that mainstream culture is just a distraction of no real value. Just because Mad TV is a shitty show doesn't prove that mainstream culture is worthless. You seem to believe that your intellect puts you on a level above the general populace, that's elitism.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4476568 - 07/31/05 09:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There must be some award from Swami's best of threads, that can go to this thread. :rofl: I love it. :thumbup: :heart:


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    #4477549 - 07/31/05 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So when, not just an isolated handful, but hundreds of thousands of people that use chapstick, and are miserable without it, and need it when they are stressed, or nervous and have to slop it on every 30 minutes or an hour, it gets a little suspicious of being addictive.

What are some of the advantages society has gained due to present pop culture? i mean, i understand how important it is for 13 year old girls to wear thongs and then pull them above their hip hugger jeans; or kids emulating people like 50 cent; or people watching Dr. Phil to find out what new psychological catch phrase they can use; or watch jerry springer so they can feel better about themselves as they attack the actors on stage....which one of these was it again?


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4477651 - 07/31/05 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"So when, not just an isolated handful, but hundreds of thousands of people that use chapstick, and are miserable without it, and need it when they are stressed, or nervous and have to slop it on every 30 minutes or an hour, it gets a little suspicious of being addictive."

Why can we not take responsibility for our own confort and happiness and quit laying it on society. One of the major problems of our society is the habit many of us have to blaming others for our unpleasant behaviors.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4477718 - 07/31/05 06:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah? Why can't I take responcibility for everything unpleasant about me instead of blaming it all on Hue Hue. It's all your fault Hue!

Reminds me of RUSH Lyrics in FREE WILL

"Blame is better to give then recieve"

Anyone realize that blame is just a medium for giving power away and with habitual use will render one powerless, helpless, and useless.

Perhaps blaming the next guy is a part of the capitalistic american way that is being examined here.

Perhaps because society says it can take care of our comfort and happiness for a fee, and when people pay up and get lousy results, they blame them of course, yet keep listening and keep buying into it.

Perhaps the question is, why do more people listen to society then themselves?

Whatever, this thread is funny. Chap stick addiction. I never heard of such a thing till now.

P.S. psilo, you should've just gone with the one about why dog food is shaped like chickens and fish. Who knew chap stick use was such a touchy S&P subject?


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4477740 - 07/31/05 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Yeah? Why can't I take responcibility for everything unpleasant about me instead of blaming it all on Hue Hue. It's all your fault Hue!"

If it makes you feel better feel welcome to blame me for your problems. My wife has does this occasionally....and she is usually correct. I do not know if others will accept this explanation...but give it a try. I will take full responsibility, but I do not pay restitution for said problems.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4477744 - 07/31/05 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In fact that is a great idea. I will take responsibility for all shroomery members problems...I will be like Jesus...the shroomery messiah...


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    #4477752 - 07/31/05 06:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, "Anyone realize that blame is just a medium for giving power away and with habitual use will render one powerless, helpless, and useless." = truth


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    #4477794 - 07/31/05 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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In fact that is a great idea. I will take responsibility for all shroomery members problems...I will be like Jesus...the shroomery messiah...




My fly reel isn't working right! What have you done to it Hue? :rant: :mad2: :enraged: :razz:


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    #4477809 - 07/31/05 06:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It was an oversight. I accept full moral (not financial) responsibility.


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    #4477819 - 07/31/05 06:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In the future, wars will be fought over chapstick.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: zorbman]
    #4477836 - 07/31/05 06:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I use chapstick every day and I think its fine. Its not like it gives you brain damage or nothin'.
I started wearing it all the time because I used to get terribly chapped lips, so I do it out of fear not conditioning.


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The breeze in the courtyard leaves & returns.
Like is like that, so why not relax?
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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4477845 - 07/31/05 06:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

not financial) responsibility.
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Damn! :thumbdown:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: dante]
    #4477881 - 07/31/05 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"I use chapstick every day and I think its fine. Its not like it gives you brain damage or nothin'.
I started wearing it all the time because I used to get terribly chapped lips, so I do it out of fear not conditioning."

Well, obviously, you are a slave to the system who has sold his soul to "the man". You probably also support the Bush adminstration, and you killed Jesus.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4477883 - 07/31/05 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, "Anyone realize that blame is just a medium for giving power away and with habitual use will render one powerless, helpless, and useless." = truth

I used to be into blame. Now I much prefer denial and avoidance. They are powerful tools to be used in dealing with most any difficult situation.  :thumbup:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Swami]
    #4477920 - 07/31/05 07:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have taken refuge there before as well...but in the end one is still faced with the same problem.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Swami]
    #4477925 - 07/31/05 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for laughs guys. I love this S&P bunch! :heartpump:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4478832 - 07/31/05 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You've hit upon the nature of human ingenuity I think.

Fire has shaped our digestive system in the same way. Our stomache juices are designed more to break down the chemicals in food, and no longer the bacteria. And in a chain of effects, this effects our entire nutrient pick up system.

As our bodies become more accepting of foreign oils, and we produce less, we inteface better with artifice? Maybe old glands that used to secrete oil, will in turn learn to 'store' foreign oils. Nothing really vanishes from function, ever.

I dunno, just an idea. Nothing interests me more than evolution.


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