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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4465598 - 07/28/05 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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next we tackle why dog food is shaped like bones, chicken and fish...



No dog food I have ever bought has been shaped like that. Frankly I find this whole series to just be mundane ramblings by a person who thinks they are more knowledgeable then they are.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: TheCow]
    #4465657 - 07/28/05 08:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why do most dog/cat foods have a picture of a dog/cat on them? the product doesn't contain any dog/cat (i hope). This goes for toilet paper too. most brands have a puppy on them. it's simple. package cloning. copy the marketing strategies of the market leader. thats why dog biscuits are bone shaped. someone thought it was a good idea and everyone cloned it.

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No dog food I have ever bought has been shaped like that.


thats because you buy the cheap stuff :smile:


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: psychomime]
    #4465750 - 07/28/05 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No toilet paper I have ever bought has ever had anything printed on it. I dont buy cheap dog food, well not regularly, and it has always just been like little cubes/spheres of dry shit. There are many problems with commercialism, but this poster hasnt made any good points as far as I can see. I have no problem with him pointing them out if they were true, or insightful in any way.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4466415 - 07/28/05 11:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You make girls remove chapstick before kissing them?

If you're so worried about coddling yourself, why not live in the forest, naked, off of small animals and berries?

I think there are actual problems in the world.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4466430 - 07/28/05 11:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Has anybody ever tried mainlining nosespray...or how about freebasing chapstick....


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4467774 - 07/29/05 04:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is not the designated dog food thread, i will make one in due time, but for now, lets get back on topic if there is anymore to be said about chapstick.

As for you, The Cow, maybe my threads are trite and IYO attempting to flaunt intelligence (im not sure how you made that correlation), but what does that make you for posting even more trite and pretentious stuff in a thread accused of brimming with said characteristics?
Everyone here needs to stop taking everything so damn seriously. I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.
You know, go ahead and agree or disagree with me followed by your personal thoughts as to why, i dont make these threads in hopes that everyone will agree and say "gee psilocyberin, you are a genius".
How abotu trying to stimulate alternative thoughts or perspectives instead of post-whoring and semi-trolling other peoples threads....


Phluck: I very much want to move out in the woods and wash my hands of society and american ideology, but im working on getting my MacGuyver certification and i cant plug a soldering iron into a tree to make it work...


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4467987 - 07/29/05 07:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> next we tackle why dog food is shaped like bones, chicken and fish..

Spooky... I was wondernig about that yesterday morning when I was feeding the cat.  Small world... or are you one of those secret CIA remote controls (or whatever they call them) that read peoples minds?  :wink:

Edit: In an attempt to get back on topic...

I have read that some types of chapstick (white bottle with a yellow lid... carmen or carmex or something close to that) actually add in something to cut up the lips even more.  The chapstick still feels good, and the cuts keep the person wanting to apply more to soothe the pain.  I always assumed this was an urban legend, but donno.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4468068 - 07/29/05 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.

No, you can't make one statement which is clearly wrong without people coming in and wanting evidence. That is good, it shows people are on their toes. If people were allowed to babble on and make up negative things about other things, and be accepted, the world would be a shitty place.

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Phluck: I very much want to move out in the woods and wash my hands of society and american ideology, but im working on getting my MacGuyver certification and i cant plug a soldering iron into a tree to make it work...




Okay. Personally, I find it odd how so many people hate everything about modern society. You won't find any less greed and hypocrisy amongst the squirrels though.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4468459 - 07/29/05 12:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I cant post one little pointless (cause isnt everything?) statement which is purely a product of Bong + whatever i am currently reading, without 4 people wanting scientific research, a specialist advisory panel discussion, and a few "trite" police piping in off topic, who are too busy handing out "pseudo-intellectual" tickets to actually make their own threads.

No, you can't make one statement which is clearly wrong without people coming in and wanting evidence. That is good, it shows people are on their toes. If people were allowed to babble on and make up negative things about other things, and be accepted, the world would be a shitty place.




This wasnt really directed towards you, but I would like to address this issue further. This is the spirituality and philosophy forum, not the science and technology forum. Usually things metaphysical, spiritual, or attempts to answer the big WHY and What of the universe can neither be directly proven right or wrong. Sure, in many instances there are multiple scientific studies which can help or detract from your topic, and Im not necessarily saying that asking for scientific backing is useless, it was more a general gripe.....BUT! it does seem to detract from the (IMO) point of the S&P forum when topics are derailed via arguing semantics and inevitably ending in an attempt to discredit sources.
It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it. I also see all too often here the ignoring of philosophical counter arguments once the "Scientists" have presented some link.
Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.

Now, if I am making a thread that claims foundation in science , like my QP thread, then it is most definitly fair game for the scientists to attack, but things of this topics nature, which are not directly testable are left to the philosophers to haggle over.

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Phluck: I very much want to move out in the woods and wash my hands of society and american ideology, but im working on getting my MacGuyver certification and i cant plug a soldering iron into a tree to make it work...




Okay. Personally, I find it odd how so many people hate everything about modern society. You won't find any less greed and hypocrisy amongst the squirrels though.




Im not tryign to get aay from greed or hypocrisy, to do that i would have to kill myself. I dont see modern society making life any easier, if anything, it complicates life and takes focus away from living and being happy and onto materialistic shit and rat races... is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Im not neccesarily wanting to get away from the people, but the constant immersion into purely self absorbed logic and materialism i keep finding myself drowning in.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4470174 - 07/29/05 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it.

That's because the burden of proof is always on the person making the extreme claim. I've said this a million times before: If I told you there were unicorns on Mars, would that make any sense? Would my saying it make it any more likely to be true? Of course not, I'd need some kind of proof. You could tell me all you wanted that there was no reason to think that those unicorns are there, but if I asked you to prove to me that they weren't there, that would be silly. That would require searching the entire planet for one specific thing that there's no reason to believe is there in the first place.

Is the concept of 'burden of proof' making sense yet?


Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.


The source's validity in this case, is just you saying that chapstick is physically addictive. This is an urban legend, it's untrue, the only sources claiming otherwise are rumors. Your entire argument is based on a myth, I don't see how that shouldn't be criticized.

is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Nature is a hell of a lot worse. How will I eat tonight? Will this get infected? Am I going to have to amputate myself? Am I going to have to pull the tooth myself? Are these poisonous? What do I do now that I know they're poisonous? Why is there a bear sleeping on my stuff?

Nobody is forcing you to care about celebrities lives, and personal grooming is a pretty small price to pay for living in a world where the constant threat of death and disease surrounds you.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4470289 - 07/29/05 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It also seems to me that many of the "scientists" on this forum simply ask for scientific data to back up everything, even the metaphysical, yet scoff at the same tactic when turned around on them...i.e. show me something that disproves it.

That's because the burden of proof is always on the person making the extreme claim. I've said this a million times before: If I told you there were unicorns on Mars, would that make any sense? Would my saying it make it any more likely to be true? Of course not, I'd need some kind of proof. You could tell me all you wanted that there was no reason to think that those unicorns are there, but if I asked you to prove to me that they weren't there, that would be silly. That would require searching the entire planet for one specific thing that there's no reason to believe is there in the first place.

Is the concept of 'burden of proof' making sense yet?




So, any and all topics, that have yet to have a scientific research team and a panel of peer review should never be speculated upon or discussed. If i wanted to discuss the possibility of unicorns on mars, would i have to wait until scientific proof comes out either way to open that discussion? well, sorry but im not going to sit around and limit my imagination according to what scientists have done or not done, these same people who are usually too busy testing the speed at which catsup leaves the bottle anyway.

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Also, no one is forcing you to accept anything, merely presenting a viewpoint, while I readily welcome any and all valid and non-superfluous scientific arguments, it seems that once a valid counter-argument or source is returned the topic is either instantly dropped, or switched, or strawman arguments are waged upon the sources validity.


The source's validity in this case, is just you saying that chapstick is physically addictive. This is an urban legend, it's untrue, the only sources claiming otherwise are rumors. Your entire argument is based on a myth, I don't see how that shouldn't be criticized.




here is a good example of what i was previously talking about. Your first post here was about how YOU read some article that claims this is all a myth.....which was the extent of your scientific inquiry, then i made a counter argument which IMO had valid points and the subject was dropped until now by you.
If there is such a thing as chapstick dependancy groups, doesnt that tell you something? as well as my argument about creating false conditions and environments which stunt your bodies ability to adapt.

here is a great website which is half serious and half joking, much on par with the feeling I wanted for this thread... http://www.kevdo.com/lipbalm/chapstick.html

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is it time for me to get my hair cut? are my fingernails too long? I wonder if angelina jolie and brad pitt are dating? does my breath stink? does this outfit match? is my car going to be alright parked there?

Nature is a hell of a lot worse. How will I eat tonight? Will this get infected? Am I going to have to amputate myself? Am I going to have to pull the tooth myself? Are these poisonous? What do I do now that I know they're poisonous? Why is there a bear sleeping on my stuff?




life and survival would be a lot more rewarding at the end of the day if my greatest daily accomplishment was paying my electricity bill. Also worse and better are judgement calls, there are a few week long trips I take almost every year in which I have to ask myself these questions, and I love it...

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Nobody is forcing you to care about celebrities lives, and personal grooming is a pretty small price to pay for living in a world where the constant threat of death and disease surrounds you.




your right, no one is forcing me to do that, but to be a part of society, and function inside of it, it is much mroe difficult to keep yourself seperate from becoming a self-absorbed american slob...


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4470319 - 07/29/05 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and here is another great website which addresses this issue...

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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4470612 - 07/29/05 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Neither of your websites have any evidence to support the claim that your lips produce less moisture, the addiction is entirely psychological, like chewing gum or biting your nails.

Just because you follow mainstream things like celebrity gossip doesn't make you any less intelligent or more self absorbed than anyone else. Hating those things is just another set of irrational biases that people develop.

The whole "mainstream culture is fucked up" mindset is just as warped and childish as the mindset that takes tabloids seriously.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4470652 - 07/29/05 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

And in the end, chapstick users merely shell out $1.50 every week and don't think twice, while others analyze and critique this behavior in an attempt at gaining insight into spirituality and philosophy.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: Phluck]
    #4470719 - 07/29/05 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did you even read the second page? it had a couple of scientists talking about how some of the chemicals found in blistex, carmex and other chapsticks either have numbing qualities or can actually make your lips drier.
You keep proving my points about how once a counter-argument link has been presented you attack its validity with nothing more than, "it doesnt say anything". In the second link, it quotes multiple scientists and doctors regarding the effects of chapstick.


society and culture can do whatever they please, i dont directly hate those things, what i keep saying is that i hate the effect it has on me.
Mainstream culture is in no way condusive to furthering intelligence or spirituality, it is simply a distraction, and while im sure a majority of people love anything that can take their mind off their own self-imposed miserable reality (like TV), it isnt something that i agree with at all. It has exceeded being just entertainment and become a way of life, peoples days and conversations are evolved around whether or not brad pitt really cheated on jennifer aniston, or whether paula abdul really fucked a constestant.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4471597 - 07/29/05 11:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think Psilocyberin wins this one. The article did mention that that the active ingredient in one formulation dries surface skin.


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    #4471616 - 07/29/05 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed, but that is supposedly to help get rid of cold sores and such.

I never use chapstick except when my lips are peeling or bleeding, but for occassional use (a couple times a month at most) it works well. From experience it never dries out my lips, but I'm also don't grease my lips with it every few minutes.


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    #4472751 - 07/30/05 04:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed, but that is supposedly to help get rid of cold sores and such.

Cold sores are located upon the surface of the skin are they not?

I used to apply a thin layer of petroleum jelly across the surfact of any normally dry areas of skin after showering and it worked quite well. It locked in the moisture from the shower and it lasted all day.

After regularly taking flax oil I found I could stop that treatment as my skin corrected its dryness from the inside-out.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: zorbman]
    #4474465 - 07/30/05 08:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)


I think Psilocyberin wins this one. The article did mention that that the active ingredient in one formulation dries surface skin.


I don't get how drying your skin out has anything to do with addictiveness... If you simply don't apply for a few hours you'll be fine. It doesn't change the way your body moisturizes the lips at all.


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Re: Consumerism conditioning #2: chapstick [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4474493 - 07/30/05 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Mainstream culture is in no way condusive to furthering intelligence or spirituality, it is simply a distraction

Bullshit. That's nothing more than an elitist way of brushing off an entire range of art and culture that you feel superior to.

People don't generally consider certain forms of art or culture refined becuase they are superior, they do so because they've been told that's the case. Shakespeare used to be considered just a bunch of entertainment for the lower segments of society, but is now considered highly refined, mostly because everyone is taught how to think about it all through school.

When you realize that even what you consider to be the most trite and simplistic forms of entertainment are often created by highly inventive intellectually minded people, it takes on a whole new light.

Gossip has always been a part of culture. Apparently two thirds of all human conversation is gossip.
http://www.i-c-r.org.uk/lectures/spr2002/fox15Jun2002.htm

We have a worldwide, interconnected society, its only natural that our gossip expands to that scale. Trying to pass yourself off as superior to all this just makes you look arrogant and elitist.


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