gdman said:

It's not going to physically hurt you, but I think this is a terrible idea. The difference between 2 grams and 10 grams, well it's even more different than night and day. Hell, I wouldn't even eat ten grams at once. You're fixing to bite off more than you can chew (no pun). Let them think what they want, this is unnecessary and unwise.

Not only that, but it's very disrespectful to the fungus, it needs respect.

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Alright, I figured I wasn't being disrespectful because I was trying to clear up things that weren't true. But I've got respect for shrooms, after the experience I had I don't think you couldn't have respect. You seem to know what your talking about, and although I really don't see it from your perspective, I'll have to agree because I'm really not that experienced. I just wanna clear things up in my town, and even though I honestly think I can handle it, I don't wanna be disrespectful to the shrooms .

I know 2 grams doesn't sound like a lot, but if you haven't read the trip I had check it out (I'll link it in a sec), after that, I feel like I'm ready for anything. But if it's disrespectful, I won't...

And to whoever called me an idiot..I'm not gonna start nothin..but just back off man...

Tyrone_C said:

I honestly think I can handle it

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adjust said:

I have taken 8 grams, then another 4 grams just before the peak for a 12 gram total. I did not get sick or suffer any negative side effects.

The important thing is to plan things out (at least one day in advance) and to create an atmosphere where you feel perfectly happy and safe. And drink lots of water. BUT ESPECIALLY HAVE AN EXPERIENCED SITTER YOU CAN TRUST!!!

That mushrooms could burn a hole in your stomach seems pretty far fetched to me. I think your friend is just taking urban myths and shit like that too seriously. He also seems like a person you wouldn?t really want to trip with (at least I wouldn?t).

Anyway happy tripping dude.

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Alright thanks for the tip, but your probably more experienced than me, so you'd be able to handle it better. And yeah I know the whole hole in your stomach thing is bullshit, that was the point of me wanting to do this in the first place .

And gdman...magnified by 1000 times?? Well I don't sound stupid for wanting to go that far when I'm ready right? Because your right, I couldn't imagine anything more intense then what happened to me, I know it's out there, but I couldn't imagine it. You don't know how happy I am to hear that it can go so much further than that . But don't worry...I'm a patient guy, I'd rather progress in years then months.

gdman said:

Good report, your friends sound like real assholes, I'd definitely smack them around after, being the center of attention for a bunch of non-tripping people and having them fuck with you is terrible.

There really is no reason to eat so many mushrooms, I'd stick to about four grams. I'd also look for something else to do, be alone or with one other tripper, listen to good music through headphones, etc.

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Yeah people keep sayin that about my friends . They were just doing it in good fun and I'm sure if I had have told them to stop they would have. And it was my decision to be the only one tripping, and trust me...by the way I was acting I'm surprised they weren't watching me more lol. To be honest I think it added to the trip, they did other stuff too that I guess I forgot to add, but it was probably just as entertaining for me as it was to them .

And what your saying is you don't reccomend tripping huge? Not even with lots of expereince? I'm a curiouse guy, once I get to a point I'll always want to know what the next level is. I know thats probably a bad thing, but it's just the way I am. Maybe when I get to 4 grams I'll feel it's time to stop though, who knows.

And I'm quite looking forward to tripping alone by the way, hopefully I'll be able to learn something about myself, which is something I didn't get out of my first trip.

gdman said:

Seriously, I've seen 3.5 grams kick the asses of very experienced trippers. Psychedelics are incredible, gifts to mankind, but they are not toys.

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Tyrone_C said:

The only think I'm not to eager to take on is a bad trip, which may happen, but if it does, I'll be ready.

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Tyrone_C said:

Alright thanks for the tip, but your probably more experienced than me, so you'd be able to handle it better. And yeah I know the whole hole in your stomach thing is bullshit, that was the point of me wanting to do this in the first place .

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Tyrone_C said:

Edit: OOPs...this isnt' about salvia...I must have messed up with the subcategory thing...if a mod can change it they would be my hero

Yeah I know...I write a lot, I can't help it. If you wanna skip past some semi-important stuff then go strait to the good stuff at paragraph 8 (including this one). Mind you you'd be doing me a nice favour by reading through who whole thing...and who knows...it might be interesting lol. Yeah, you don't have to tell me, 10 grams is A LOT of shrooms, even for someone experienced...but when it comes to proving a point, I do crazy things lol.

Ok, well first a little background on my friend. He's gonna seem like a guy who I shouldn't be friends with, but he is a good guy, I'm just talking about a few negitive things about him right now, because thats whats important for the point I'm making and the question I'm asking.

Basically, he thinks he knows everything about drugs. His older brother and his friends are huge druggies..like they'll do anything but heroin. Because of this, he thinks they know everything about what they do. An example of this is that eating more than two grams of shrooms at a time puts you at risk of ODing, and doing it too much will put holes in your stomach (my friends bro told me this RIGHT after I started tripping for the first time...nice guy lol).

Anyhow, he told me he knows this is a fact, because my other friend had a sezure (sp?) when he ate 4 grams. Now I'm gonna be honest, I have no clue why this was happened, but I know people who have eatin more than that, and I've read all over the internet (mostly here) that you can't OD unless you eat more than humanly possible.

I told my friend this, and he's like "Yeah well who with any experience would go post about it on the internet, there's no way a stoner would trip out, then post about it somewhere." Well oops, will yah look at that...he's talking to someone who does it lol, and I'm sure 95% if not more of the trip reports here and at erowid are legit.

I'm not gonna argue about that with him, but ODing on 4 grams...I've gotta challenge that. I told him it was bullshit, and he said something like this "Well if you eat 10 grams without puking, I'll buy the shrooms for you, but if you puke, you've gotta give me $100"

Ouch. 10 grams. Pretty intense, expecially if you've only tripped once, and tripped hella hard of 2 grams. Plus, he says if you puke, you've ODed. Yeah, more bullshit...but whatever. Even though I have a low tolerence, and I'm sure a lot of people here will think I'm crazy for even thinking about this, I really wanna show my friend up. I'm confident I can take anything shrooms throw at me. Yeah, I'm a rookie..but I really do. The only think I'm not to eager to take on is a bad trip, which may happen, but if it does, I'll be ready.

Now onto the important stuff. I didn't puke the first time I tripped (2 grams), but does the amount you eat affect the likelyhood of puking? I didn't feel like puking at all with 2 grams, but with 5 times that amount I don't know what could happen.

Also, what could I do to reduce the likelyhood of puking. Don't trip on an empty stomach? Drink a lot during the come up? Smoke a cigarette? Shroom the day before, to build up a tolerance or something? Or is 10 g's just pretty much an auto puke? lol. I really don't care about reducing my trip, if anything that would probably be good lol.

I know this whole thing sounds stupid, and it's not because I want a free trip, it's because I hate all these rumors and shit that go around about drugs. A lot of dealers where I live think this (they're associated with my friend), so by doing this I could possibly eliminate a rumour going around my entire town...thats why I'm doing it. It's not as simple as taking a snippet off the internet or something with people around here, they've got to see it to beleive it. I guess this is understandable, but it means I've gotta go through way more effort to prove my point lol.

The only surcumstance that I'll refrain from doing this is if it will actually effect my physical health, or if I really do have a good chance of puking if I do it, because that would do the opposite of what I'm trying to do, and cost me $100 at the same time. But I'd like to hear peoples oppinoins on this matter (even though I'm probably gonna hear that jumping from 2 to 10 grams is one of the dumbest things I could do lol). Thanks...and try to understand where I'm coming from.

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I think you are going into the trip with the wrong mindset.  Yes, I know for a fact that 10g will not hurt you physically.  And you're probably capable of handling the trip.  However, eating 10 grams to prove someone wrong is the wrong direction to be going into that level of a trip, and I think it could result in a negative experience.  When you go into that level of a trip you need to have inner peace, and I think that the tension brought about by the scenario could be amplified greatly, and could result in a very uncomfortable situation (for you, tripping).  You don't have to prove the person wrong, because you know that you are right, and he is wrong.  You do not have to correct his ignorance... it isn't your responsibility.  Who cares about the money, it isn't that important, but going into a level 5 trip with the right mindset is important.  I just wouldn't do it in these circumstances, how about you get the 10 grams and split it with your friend, 5 grams each.  That way you take a trip together, and he will know.

Getting him to do it may be a challenge.  During the trip you may feel like you are dying, and instead of trying to fight it, find comfort in it.  Timothy Leary would calm down acid users going through this rebirth by telling them "Yes, you are dying, you are becoming one with the earth and being reborn through your body" and so on.  You cannot fight the feelings, only sink further into them.  It is much like quicksand, the more you struggle, the more horrific it becomes.  The only thing you can do is let it swallow you whole and let it bring you to the other side.

As to not puking.  Don't eat anything for 16 hours before you trip.  Eating would give you something to throw up, which you don't want.  I would try to not drink much liquid, but I've noticed when I trip I piss a LOT.  So you may drink water DURING the trip, but try to refrain from it BEFORE.  I've eaten 8 grams and didn't experience the urge to throw up.  A lot of the battle is in your head, if you constantly dwell on throwing up, it will be present in your mind, and chances are, you will.  Just don't think about, don't even worry about it, you won't throw up if you don't have anything to throw up, and there's no reason that you should throw up.  Mushrooms are not toxic to you, OD'ing on them would be like OD'ing on cereal.  It just can't happen.  You can recall to that during your trip for comfort, you cannot OD on mushrooms.  Just stay calm.  If you feel like you are getting very uncomfortable, change your setting.  Go to a different room, or go outside and have a smoke.  If you feel comfortable smoking, it will bring you comfort in the trip as well.  I wouldn't go into smoking any ganja, as it is a whole other ball of wax and you don't wanna mix the two up for your first time doing a high dose trip... maybe next time

I can't emphasize enough that if you start feeling motion sickness (for whatever reason), get up and move around, and change your setting.  Just find joy in the fact that you are getting to experience what you're experiencing.  Forget about everyone else there, you don't have a reason to entertain them, or really do anything for them.  A trip is for you, no one else; remember that.

If you do decide to just eat 10 grams, know that your body is fine.  Mushrooms are a gift from mother earth... and if you believe in this sorta stuff, your spirit is going through it for a reason.  And if all else fails, it will all be over in 8 hours.

Take care, and good luck.

EIDT: 
After reading through the posts and such, it sounds like you are going to have a bunch of people around if you decide to do this.  I would like to strongly discourage this.  People who aren't tripping have no business hanging around people who are doing spiritual trips.  You do not NEED that added stress of trying to fulfill social obligations for people who aren't tripping.  I would suggest that if you do the 10 grams, have your friend eat 2 grams and spend the night with you, and it just be the two of you.

Maybe it is just me, but I really don't like the feeling that I'm not being socially acceptable (by sitting there with my eyes closed, or not talking, or not interacting with people, etc) --- and it's always present in my trips when I trip with people who aren't on anything.  I just don't like it.  Gets me all paranoid.

Now there's no need to freak out if you friend gets bored or something and calls up a buddy to come over, because trying to stop him from doing it would be more stress than just letting it happen.  But make sure there's stuff to do beforehand, plan it out.  Go rent some tapes of the Smurfs or a cartoon movie, or some old fantasy movie (like the Neverending Story... nothing that requires a lot of attention --like fight club, i saw that once tripping, bad idea).  Rent some PS2 games or something, buy some cigars (I love cigars while tripping, kills time and is comforting to me).  Just plan it out, and be safe.

You'll be fine if you tell yourself you are.  I know you haven't done more than 10 grams, and really nothing can prepare you for it, to a point.  But that is true for each incriment of mushrooms.  Nothing can prepare you for 4 grams, for 6 grams, for 8 grams.  It's the same story each time you go up.  You just need to have spiritual peace, and be ready to meet mother earth face to face.  She will have a lot to tell you.

Take care my friend.  And be safe.  Mushrooms are a beautiful thing, how they treat you is a matter of how you treat them.

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The real CHALLENGE is in having insightful, wonderful experiences on LOW doses. Any fool can eat massive doses and trip real hard. It takes someone else to ingest a small dose and trip well.
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delta9 said:
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The real CHALLENGE is in having insightful, wonderful experiences on LOW doses. Any fool can eat massive doses and trip real hard. It takes someone else to ingest a small dose and trip well.
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And in response to Wiccan, I'll admit that I have only expereinced "the psychedelic carnival", and I am quite looking forward to learning something from shrooms.

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Bravo

It starts out with the carnival, but only your mindset can bring out the Teacher.
Considering you had such a heman trip on 2gr..

I strongly recommend you take low doses up to half an eighth never more often than once a month and really put effort and concentration into *feeling* what it does to you and to *listen* to your thoughts. Then, within a few Sessions, you'll discover that the Mushroom Teacher is present always and once he has your attention the teachings can begin

Tripping has immeasurably enriched my life. Words cannot describe. But the most valuable trips were almost always those on moderate to low doses. At a high dose you are highly fragmented, highly distracted and a week later you perhaps remember 1/100 of what was dished out to you.

Low to medium doses (lessay 0.25-2.5gr) can be more beneficial because you are better able to understand, like whispering to get someone to pay attention, whereas high doses are more something like screaming into the ear of someone who's hard of hearing: the message will come across, but his hearing gets even more numbed.

If you had such an intense 2gr your first time out, why go for 3.5gr now? I guarantee you that if you were to take a 2gr dose once every 2 months that they on the whole become increasingly meaningful to you.
If you take more, or more often, you risk numbing yourself.

Stronger booze does not make a better party, in fact beer & wine parties are often more fun that liquor parties.

scatmanrav said:

People do have seizures on shrooms and acid by the way, its likly the person was telling the truth he knew someone who had one on 4 grams.

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ShroomOmatic said:

10 Grams is a waste of shrooms. Just have a nice 2-4 gram trip.

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iateshaggy said:

god i wish i had the tolerance to be scared of 10g's.

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nycomyco said:

5I've heard that the birth-death loop is, for many, the pinnacle of psychedelic experience. I got there simply because of dosage, and so I was not ready for it. A potentially beautiful thing was a hellish nightmare.

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