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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4462435 - 07/27/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man. Yeah I'm not going to rush it, and if it ever does happen, I'll do it when I'm ready.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Dicer]
    #4462454 - 07/27/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I seriously hope for your well-being that you are no longer even considering this.

I had tripped 3 times on 3.5g and I thought I had seen it all. Then the 4th time I tripped I had 4g and it was so strong I couldn't handle it... within the first 30 minutes; it just kept getting stronger for 3 hours or so. You never know where they can take you till you get there. I've tripped a decent amount of times now and I would never like to see a person eat 8g of shrooms, much less eat close to that many shrooms myself. This is a very dangerous idea for a person who is inexperienced.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4462460 - 07/27/05 11:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Don't worry, I'm no longer considering it.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4462465 - 07/27/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Just think about what you were considering man. Here's the scenario:

"Dude I cant believe you ate 10 grams without puking!"

"see? I told you it was bullshit!"

"I guess you were right... ready to trip?"

"errr..."

...

Unprepared trips are totally unpredictable, in any amount (i experience ego death at ~5 fresh grams of [wild] cubensis). An unpredictable trip at 10 grams is like playing Russian roulette.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4462496 - 07/27/05 11:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have done between 7-9 grams before but this was after i had tripped maybe like 15-20 times before on mushrooms and acid.

I have never taken a full ten before but comparing to 2 grams is like comparing a firecracker to a fuckin nuclear explosion.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Kingkole]
    #4462552 - 07/28/05 12:09 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Just eat ten fresh grams ;P

They probably didn't say that they had to be dry.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: metasin]
    #4463034 - 07/28/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to prove that 4g isn't an OD, then a 4g trip sounds much much more tangible considering your situation. An even better idea would be to hand them a book.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: OisatsanaYert]
    #4463326 - 07/28/05 03:05 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I've done a 14gram trip and a 10 gram trip.

Nothing too crazy to get scared about, but I still pefere my occasional 1/4's.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: sandman_130]
    #4463372 - 07/28/05 03:35 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to call puking an OD then yes you can. I have eaten a quater dried and puked my guts out. The reason in this? Its the magic of the mushrooms.

If you were to eat too many, your body would reject it, thus the throwing up. No matter how much you eat, chances are you will not be on the ground foaming at the mouth. Your body will release that overdose orally before you can... overdose.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: sandman_130]
    #4463381 - 07/28/05 03:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Heck, I'll do it. Get me in touch with your "friends" and I'll take the 10 grams. I'm just kidding though, I wouldn't try it, and neither should you.

You should just talk to them and try to renegotiate. Tell them that 10 grams may pose a mental risk, which you don't want to take, and try to renegotiate to 5 grams. 5 grams will probably give you a serious ass-kicking, but probably nothing unenjoyable. It's always tempting to prove a point, but keep in mind lots of people have been so intent on proving their points that they have harmed themselves trying to prove them.

Just renegotiate to 5 grams, they'll do that.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: matchbook]
    #4463393 - 07/28/05 03:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No matter how hard you've tripped on 2 grams, NOTHING can prepare you for the world a 10 gram trip would entail. When I first moved up from an 8th(3.5 grams) to an 8th and a half(5.2), I had tripped over 40 times. I consider myself extremely experienced and almost impervious to anything a psychadelic could throw my way (having survived 2, what I would call, bad trips).
The trip turned into me thinking I was dying because I had a cramp. A single cramp threw me into a world where I thought my life was going to end within the hour. I didn't want to lay down, I didn't want to close my eyes because the fear of death was so real. Luckily, I had a good friend and an experienced tripper by my side to help me through the experience.
This just shows you how unstable your moods can be on high dose trips. Things get shakier and shakier as your experience is lower and your dose is higher.

Nothing can prepare you for a trip that high, let alone a scenario where you actually have no one to really trust.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4463399 - 07/28/05 04:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Tyrone_C said:
Edit: OOPs...this isnt' about salvia...I must have messed up with the subcategory thing...if a mod can change it they would be my hero :smile:

Yeah I know...I write a lot, I can't help it. If you wanna skip past some semi-important stuff then go strait to the good stuff at paragraph 8 (including this one). Mind you you'd be doing me a nice favour by reading through who whole thing...and who knows...it might be interesting lol. Yeah, you don't have to tell me, 10 grams is A LOT of shrooms, even for someone experienced...but when it comes to proving a point, I do crazy things lol.

Ok, well first a little background on my friend. He's gonna seem like a guy who I shouldn't be friends with, but he is a good guy, I'm just talking about a few negitive things about him right now, because thats whats important for the point I'm making and the question I'm asking.

Basically, he thinks he knows everything about drugs. His older brother and his friends are huge druggies..like they'll do anything but heroin. Because of this, he thinks they know everything about what they do. An example of this is that eating more than two grams of shrooms at a time puts you at risk of ODing, and doing it too much will put holes in your stomach (my friends bro told me this RIGHT after I started tripping for the first time...nice guy lol).

Anyhow, he told me he knows this is a fact, because my other friend had a sezure (sp?) when he ate 4 grams. Now I'm gonna be honest, I have no clue why this was happened, but I know people who have eatin more than that, and I've read all over the internet (mostly here) that you can't OD unless you eat more than humanly possible.

I told my friend this, and he's like "Yeah well who with any experience would go post about it on the internet, there's no way a stoner would trip out, then post about it somewhere." Well oops, will yah look at that...he's talking to someone who does it lol, and I'm sure 95% if not more of the trip reports here and at erowid are legit.

I'm not gonna argue about that with him, but ODing on 4 grams...I've gotta challenge that. I told him it was bullshit, and he said something like this "Well if you eat 10 grams without puking, I'll buy the shrooms for you, but if you puke, you've gotta give me $100"

Ouch. 10 grams. Pretty intense, expecially if you've only tripped once, and tripped hella hard of 2 grams. Plus, he says if you puke, you've ODed. Yeah, more bullshit...but whatever. Even though I have a low tolerence, and I'm sure a lot of people here will think I'm crazy for even thinking about this, I really wanna show my friend up. I'm confident I can take anything shrooms throw at me. Yeah, I'm a rookie..but I really do. The only think I'm not to eager to take on is a bad trip, which may happen, but if it does, I'll be ready.

Now onto the important stuff. I didn't puke the first time I tripped (2 grams), but does the amount you eat affect the likelyhood of puking? I didn't feel like puking at all with 2 grams, but with 5 times that amount I don't know what could happen.

Also, what could I do to reduce the likelyhood of puking. Don't trip on an empty stomach? Drink a lot during the come up? Smoke a cigarette? Shroom the day before, to build up a tolerance or something? Or is 10 g's just pretty much an auto puke? lol. I really don't care about reducing my trip, if anything that would probably be good lol.

I know this whole thing sounds stupid, and it's not because I want a free trip, it's because I hate all these rumors and shit that go around about drugs. A lot of dealers where I live think this (they're associated with my friend), so by doing this I could possibly eliminate a rumour going around my entire town...thats why I'm doing it. It's not as simple as taking a snippet off the internet or something with people around here, they've got to see it to beleive it. I guess this is understandable, but it means I've gotta go through way more effort to prove my point lol.

The only surcumstance that I'll refrain from doing this is if it will actually effect my physical health, or if I really do have a good chance of puking if I do it, because that would do the opposite of what I'm trying to do, and cost me $100 at the same time. But I'd like to hear peoples oppinoins on this matter (even though I'm probably gonna hear that jumping from 2 to 10 grams is one of the dumbest things I could do lol). Thanks...and try to understand where I'm coming from.




I think you are going into the trip with the wrong mindset.  Yes, I know for a fact that 10g will not hurt you physically.  And you're probably capable of handling the trip.  However, eating 10 grams to prove someone wrong is the wrong direction to be going into that level of a trip, and I think it could result in a negative experience.  When you go into that level of a trip you need to have inner peace, and I think that the tension brought about by the scenario could be amplified greatly, and could result in a very uncomfortable situation (for you, tripping).  You don't have to prove the person wrong, because you know that you are right, and he is wrong.  You do not have to correct his ignorance... it isn't your responsibility.  Who cares about the money, it isn't that important, but going into a level 5 trip with the right mindset is important.  I just wouldn't do it in these circumstances, how about you get the 10 grams and split it with your friend, 5 grams each.  That way you take a trip together, and he will know.

Getting him to do it may be a challenge.  During the trip you may feel like you are dying, and instead of trying to fight it, find comfort in it.  Timothy Leary would calm down acid users going through this rebirth by telling them "Yes, you are dying, you are becoming one with the earth and being reborn through your body" and so on.  You cannot fight the feelings, only sink further into them.  It is much like quicksand, the more you struggle, the more horrific it becomes.  The only thing you can do is let it swallow you whole and let it bring you to the other side.

As to not puking.  Don't eat anything for 16 hours before you trip.  Eating would give you something to throw up, which you don't want.  I would try to not drink much liquid, but I've noticed when I trip I piss a LOT.  So you may drink water DURING the trip, but try to refrain from it BEFORE.  I've eaten 8 grams and didn't experience the urge to throw up.  A lot of the battle is in your head, if you constantly dwell on throwing up, it will be present in your mind, and chances are, you will.  Just don't think about, don't even worry about it, you won't throw up if you don't have anything to throw up, and there's no reason that you should throw up.  Mushrooms are not toxic to you, OD'ing on them would be like OD'ing on cereal.  It just can't happen.  You can recall to that during your trip for comfort, you cannot OD on mushrooms.  Just stay calm.  If you feel like you are getting very uncomfortable, change your setting.  Go to a different room, or go outside and have a smoke.  If you feel comfortable smoking, it will bring you comfort in the trip as well.  I wouldn't go into smoking any ganja, as it is a whole other ball of wax and you don't wanna mix the two up for your first time doing a high dose trip... maybe next time :wink:

I can't emphasize enough that if you start feeling motion sickness (for whatever reason), get up and move around, and change your setting.  Just find joy in the fact that you are getting to experience what you're experiencing.  Forget about everyone else there, you don't have a reason to entertain them, or really do anything for them.  A trip is for you, no one else; remember that.

If you do decide to just eat 10 grams, know that your body is fine.  Mushrooms are a gift from mother earth... and if you believe in this sorta stuff, your spirit is going through it for a reason.  And if all else fails, it will all be over in 8 hours. :smile:

Take care, and good luck.

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After reading through the posts and such, it sounds like you are going to have a bunch of people around if you decide to do this.  I would like to strongly discourage this.  People who aren't tripping have no business hanging around people who are doing spiritual trips.  You do not NEED that added stress of trying to fulfill social obligations for people who aren't tripping.  I would suggest that if you do the 10 grams, have your friend eat 2 grams and spend the night with you, and it just be the two of you.

Maybe it is just me, but I really don't like the feeling that I'm not being socially acceptable (by sitting there with my eyes closed, or not talking, or not interacting with people, etc) --- and it's always present in my trips when I trip with people who aren't on anything.  I just don't like it.  Gets me all paranoid. :wink:

Now there's no need to freak out if you friend gets bored or something and calls up a buddy to come over, because trying to stop him from doing it would be more stress than just letting it happen.  But make sure there's stuff to do beforehand, plan it out.  Go rent some tapes of the Smurfs or a cartoon movie, or some old fantasy movie (like the Neverending Story... nothing that requires a lot of attention --like fight club, i saw that once tripping, bad idea).  Rent some PS2 games or something, buy some cigars (I love cigars while tripping, kills time and is comforting to me).  Just plan it out, and be safe. :smile:

You'll be fine if you tell yourself you are.  I know you haven't done more than 10 grams, and really nothing can prepare you for it, to a point.  But that is true for each incriment of mushrooms.  Nothing can prepare you for 4 grams, for 6 grams, for 8 grams.  It's the same story each time you go up.  You just need to have spiritual peace, and be ready to meet mother earth face to face.  She will have a lot to tell you.

Take care my friend.  And be safe.  Mushrooms are a beautiful thing, how they treat you is a matter of how you treat them.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C] * 1
    #4463408 - 07/28/05 04:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The real CHALLENGE is in having insightful, wonderful experiences on LOW doses. Any fool can eat massive doses and trip real hard. It takes someone else to ingest a small dose and trip well.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: delta9]
    #4463646 - 07/28/05 07:13 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

trip on an empty stomach,that will probably keep you from throwing up,if your not you will probably throw up though


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: unearth]
    #4463713 - 07/28/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

10 grams is tough , especially when your going from 2 g to 10 g..huge difference. as for me, i started with 6 dry by myself..intense :goodnight:


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: delta9]
    #4464244 - 07/28/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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delta9 said:
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The real CHALLENGE is in having insightful, wonderful experiences on LOW doses. Any fool can eat massive doses and trip real hard. It takes someone else to ingest a small dose and trip well.
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Yes, that basically says it all.

I have used 3gr.. 6gr.. 12 grams.. and I outgrowed those doses.

Nowadays I use 0.25-2.5gr mushrooms, and if the mushrooms are strong a "mere" 0.25-1.5gr will suffice.

I can have a great insightful time on 0.25gr
I have had bilocation and clairvoyant entity dialog on 0.5gr
1-2.5gr can deliver me to the doorstep of Heaven or Hell.

Tripping is a combination of THE MUSHROOM TEACHER and THE PSYCHEDELIC CARNIVAL.
If you take more mushrooms THE PSYCHEDELIC CARNIVAL will become too wild to really listen and work with the lessons of THE MUSHROOM TEACHER. If you know where to find him within yourself, THE MUSHROOM TEACHER speaks just as loud at 1gr as he does on 10gr.
You just have to WORK with the Teacher, whereas the Carnival is just tossed in your lap in whatever quantity you took.

I have tripped for 12 years, over 100 times and up to 12 grams dried.
But I would eat a turd right outta my ass if that would prevent a bad trip as excruciating as the one I once had on 2 grams. It cost me over a year to recover from that one.

10gr? Not smart.
Unless you want to experience something beyond all boundaries. It can be a dream, or a nightmare, but it will be REAL.
You only tripped once on 2gr. Contrary to most people's opinion that can be a very potent dose.

--You can Unite with God and be Blessed by utter Divinity for four hours
--You can Dance with Angels on the edge of sanity
--Your body can get sicker than you ever imagined to be possible
--You can go insane for 15.000 seconds, every single one of those seconds burning in your soul with unique agonies you were incapable to fathom before.


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The real CHALLENGE is in having insightful, wonderful experiences on LOW doses. Any fool can eat massive doses and trip real hard. It takes someone else to ingest a small dose and trip well.
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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4464279 - 07/28/05 11:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Alright thanks for all the insight. I really appriciate it. I think for my next trip I'll just move up to 3.5 grams and trip with other people tripping (and maybe a babysitter), or I'll do a lower dose and trip alone.

And in response to Wiccan, I'll admit that I have only expereinced "the psychedelic carnival", and I am quite looking forward to learning something from shrooms.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4464337 - 07/28/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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And in response to Wiccan, I'll admit that I have only expereinced "the psychedelic carnival", and I am quite looking forward to learning something from shrooms.




Bravo :thumbup:

It starts out with the carnival, but only your mindset can bring out the Teacher.
Considering you had such a heman trip on 2gr..

I strongly recommend you take low doses up to half an eighth never more often than once a month and really put effort and concentration into *feeling* what it does to you and to *listen* to your thoughts. Then, within a few Sessions, you'll discover that the Mushroom Teacher is present always and once he has your attention the teachings can begin :thumbup:

Tripping has immeasurably enriched my life. Words cannot describe. But the most valuable trips were almost always those on moderate to low doses. At a high dose you are highly fragmented, highly distracted and a week later you perhaps remember 1/100 of what was dished out to you.

Low to medium doses (lessay 0.25-2.5gr) can be more beneficial because you are better able to understand, like whispering to get someone to pay attention, whereas high doses are more something like screaming into the ear of someone who's hard of hearing: the message will come across, but his hearing gets even more numbed.

If you had such an intense 2gr your first time out, why go for 3.5gr now? I guarantee you that if you were to take a 2gr dose once every 2 months that they on the whole become increasingly meaningful to you.
If you take more, or more often, you risk numbing yourself.

Stronger booze does not make a better party, in fact beer & wine parties are often more fun that liquor parties.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4464352 - 07/28/05 11:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Theirs nothing wrong with an expirenced tripper testing out deep water, your not going to do any damage to your body or mind.

it takes your full body weight in dry mushrooms to od.


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Re: The 10 gram challenge.. [Re: Tyrone_C]
    #4464362 - 07/28/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

After probably over 130 shroom trips, and probably 50 acid trips, 7 grams shrooms plus a good blotter hit had me friggen out there. I was experienced enough to handle it, but if it had been 10 grams of shrooms, it would have been even more difficult, and I may have not had such a great time, it was hard enough to move or do anything other then feel and "think".

People do have seizures on shrooms and acid by the way, its likly the person was telling the truth he knew someone who had one on 4 grams. I believe trips very stressful to the body, when bad thoughts kick in, particularly with issues of blood pressure change (standing up fast or going from laying down to standing up fast), manifest themselves physically. I've seen it happen a few times, but its rare, and usually doesnt repeat itself it seems.. Its usually more "tremors" though, is very quick, and the person is fine (even after cat scans and hospital visits)..my girl went through it twice, once on acid, once on shrooms, but all the factors above played into it, and she has been fine since.

But yeah, 10 grams really would be about 1000 times stronger then 2 grams, with those being your first and second trips, it may even feel like more.

Good luck with your ventures!


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