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"You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"??
    #4460932 - 07/27/05 07:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Matthew 5:

21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

note the part about 'you fool'..

and read this..

Matthew 15:

    10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

    12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

    13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

    15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

    16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

I don't see how being called a fool is worst than when Jesus himself asked Peter if he was dull, am I missing something?  :confused:

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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: JCoke]
    #4460983 - 07/27/05 07:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Lost in translation.. :smile:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: JCoke]
    #4460986 - 07/27/05 07:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus has special VIP privileges since he's part of the Holy Trinity.


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: JCoke]
    #4460993 - 07/27/05 07:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

your translation is a little off...

Matt. 15:16 "Are you also still without understanding?" is the more literal translation. See also Matt. 13:11,16,51 for more "understanding" references.


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Nashbar]
    #4461183 - 07/27/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

methinks christianity preaches both love and hate


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4462323 - 07/28/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

God wasn't Mr. Love n Fluff. He has a mean side in the books too.  :smile:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Gomp]
    #4462405 - 07/28/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
Lost in translation.. :smile:




yup.

there's a difference though. calling someone a fool is insulting them.

bringing up a negative quality about them is different.

according to the original language i'm sure it's a lot more obvious.


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: JCoke]
    #4463655 - 07/28/05 09:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

JCoke said:
Matthew 5:

21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

note the part about 'you fool'..

and read this..

Matthew 15:

    10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

    12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

    13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

    15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

    16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

I don't see how being called a fool is worst than when Jesus himself asked Peter if he was dull, am I missing something?  :confused:

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Didn't you ever say to someone that he is stupid in an emotional moment?


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4464254 - 07/28/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Many bad guys of evil spirit try to manipulate Jesus' words (or other words of the holy spirit) all the time. You see, even in scripture. I found some evident parts, too. That's real frightening.

[edit: but I must admit, that I am a 'name to:' fool, all that bad :wink: (to original poster, this message was ment)]


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464259 - 07/28/05 01:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately we do not have any words of Jesus to go on. He wrote nothing that we know of. Everything else is hearsay.


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Icelander]
    #4464268 - 07/28/05 01:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, but I think, most often, his disciples tried to write down his words, as exactly as possible, because they often did not undestand his words, at once, either...so it is, at least, not their fault.
I can simply prove, that some editions of our holy bible are tainted intentionally, but that should be an own post if you are interested.


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464274 - 07/28/05 01:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If I am not mistaken there was quite a gap between when Jesus was supposedly alive and when his diciples got around to writing his words.
That would make it very hard to remember accurately what he said. Could well be they wrote what they wish he had said, or what they remember hearing, which could be quite different. :confused:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Icelander]
    #4464296 - 07/28/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry...postincrossings :smile:
That is right. But that could make them even more aware to state his true words.
But there are not only his words of holy spirit. Many prophets spoke the same tongue, so I think, with a little comparison, everyone can get the hint, what Jesus words were really intended to say :smile:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4464323 - 07/28/05 01:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe. But there sure is a lot of people arguing about what he meant. It's no skin off my nose to believe he really existed. And I get to decide for myself what he meant. I think he would have hung out on the forums. Being that he felt that street people had the most chance of opening their eyes. :mushroom2: :heart:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Icelander]
    #4465135 - 07/28/05 05:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yes, totally :thumbup:
I will show, what I found. about tainting our holy scripture. To make it short, and how to find which book yyou hol in your hands:

First, think about the difference about taking peace to bringing war. Or bringing peace to taking war.
Meditate a bit, to see the differnce.

If you are through, then it should be clear, that the ones are the possessors of war, who can bring or take it, and the others are the possessors of peace.
So, which ones would you more relate to 'Jesus' Angels or more to 'Satans' Angels ?

Ok, now...get your bible, and open it at revelation 6.4... See if you have a tainted version :wink:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4465256 - 07/28/05 06:08 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You're going to make me read the Bible? :whoa: I'll have to see if I still have one. :wink:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Icelander]
    #4465266 - 07/28/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Nope I don't! :shrug:


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Re: "You fool!" worst than saying "you are so dull!"?? [Re: Icelander]
    #4465283 - 07/28/05 06:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hehe..so no christian literal influence intended on your believes for you :smile:


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