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Higher levels of reality
    #4459485 - 07/27/05 11:14 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think its possible that astral planes exits in higher forms of reality? If so can you explian one?


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459492 - 07/27/05 11:17 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What exactly is an astral plane, and what's a higher level of reality?

They're both kind of vague concepts, and when you look at different places that the terms have been used, the definitions tend to vary quite a bit. So it's not a question that can easily be answered.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Phluck]
    #4459516 - 07/27/05 11:29 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Phluck said:
What exactly is an astral plane, and what's a higher level of reality?

They're both kind of vague concepts, and when you look at different places that the terms have been used, the definitions tend to vary quite a bit. So it's not a question that can easily be answered.




Everything is simply an illusion or somekind of perversion. Everythings a manifestation of the possible. They are simply explianing the nonexistence of realities. We explian things through vauge concepts. Lost in our own hallucination. As if this were all a hallucination.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459545 - 07/27/05 11:39 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Datura speak. :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459555 - 07/27/05 11:41 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Astral planes are a higher form of reality. Read what christian rationalism has to say about the subject
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4678/discuss/astral.html

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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Icelander]
    #4459563 - 07/27/05 11:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Datura speak. :mushroom2:




Exactly, when you start tripping hardcore on datura you come up with all these breathe taking philosophical concepts.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: MAIA]
    #4459572 - 07/27/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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MAIA said:
Astral planes are a higher form of reality. Read what christian rationalism has to say about the subject
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4678/discuss/astral.html

MAIA




True, but how much of an extent? Everything is seamingly nonexistent. So it would not matter either way. I titled the cosmos as Void concept.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459620 - 07/27/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

every culture has it - in outer reality it is usually species', breeding, intelligence and wealth that stratifies the intercomingling universes where you could have consciousness (/reality).

whether one is higher or not depends on your disposition.
they are different, and nearly impossible to escape or relocate between.

in spiritual or philosophical terms you can use these worlds to test the resonance of your realizations, i.e. do they apply to all the worlds you can think of? can they be used to bring harmony accross division.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4459629 - 07/27/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You could word it a million ways. Its like an archetypal omni-mind with an infinite amount of beings in harmony.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459652 - 07/27/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Luke said:
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MAIA said:
Astral planes are a higher form of reality. Read what christian rationalism has to say about the subject
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4678/discuss/astral.html

MAIA




True, but how much of an extent? Everything is seamingly nonexistent. So it would not matter either way. I titled the cosmos as Void concept.





Everything is seemingly nonexistent? Really? Next time your in the cluches of your favorite psychedelic, wrap your  :heart:/mind around the concept of unconditional love. Report back findings.  :sherlock: :eyeball:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459667 - 07/27/05 12:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"Exactly, when you start tripping hardcore on datura you come up with all these breathe taking philosophical concepts."

When you trip "hard core" on datura you lose all coherance...I have seen it. Maybe a small dose would be enlightening in some fashion, but a hard core dose is usually hard to remember afterwards with much of it being a total blank. My oldest brother had three datura experiences that I witnessed and he was totally lost to all reason...very similar to a very high PCP dose. I have trouble buying into this statement.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459685 - 07/27/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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True, but how much of an extent? Everything is seamingly nonexistent. So it would not matter either way.




Perception can be deceiving sometimes and importance can be related to that same perception. Understanding the existence of an astral plane can help you perceive reality in a different way. That new perception can increase the level of importance about such spiritual subjects, turning the "nonexistent" into a possibility.
While in this existence or level of reality, we have glimpses of other realities. The more importance we give to those glimpses, the more aware we'll be about such other realities. My point is, you just can't snap your fingers, or just read about it, or try to prove it's existence trough machines or concepts from this reality. It's something which works both ways, your degree of understanding and awareness increases proportionally to the importance and meaning you give them.

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I titled the cosmos as Void concept.




That's a problem of our level of perception. A fish would say the same thing about dry land :wink: .

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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4459721 - 07/27/05 12:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Luke said:
You could word it a million ways. Its like an archetypal omni-mind with an infinite amount of beings in harmony.



how else could it be?


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4460012 - 07/27/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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They are simply explianing the nonexistence of realities.




Oh, I didn't realize it was so simple. :smirk:


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Luke]
    #4461689 - 07/27/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they exist in your mind if you think they do.


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Re: Higher levels of reality [Re: Grav]
    #4461813 - 07/27/05 11:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Grav said:
they exist in your mind if you think they do.




If Darwinism can create all of our perception along with our dreams, I see no reason why it also couldn't create a mind capable of experiencing "astral planes".

That does not mean they exist outside of the human mind though, but even within them, just like a dream there'd be no way to tell the difference.


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