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 Crobih
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 Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit  [Re: Crobih]
#450320 - 11/07/01 01:59 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ops ... when I talked about marketing of ceratian product..I forgot to mention that there is a investition in whole product development, risk etc.
See? Spores are dead cheap to produce, so we have to appreciate pore development.
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 World Spirit
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: JackMehoff]
#450322 - 11/07/01 02:01 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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World Spirit
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: Crobih]
#450327 - 11/07/01 02:04 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Crobih
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 Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: World Spirit]
#450338 - 11/07/01 02:18 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enter.. a while ago when I was growing fungi it was way harder to do so. Even I believe it was not comparable to 10 years ago.
My point is that today it is easy enough to grow them. And for the christs sake, I think that we must not move toward idea that boy who has 300$ gets his shrooms with no effort at all. This is a psychedelic, it has to be saint thing (remember?).
We as a community have to move toward fair prices of basic products, better QUALITY of service and products. The law of commercial flow will do the rest.
But we MUST move toward the second thing, not the first one. That is what community can do only. Something as syndicate.
Enter- I hope you can read trough my bad grammar spell etc.
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World Spirit
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: Crobih]
#450358 - 11/07/01 02:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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slither
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 Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: World Spirit]
#450436 - 11/07/01 03:30 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess I'm just old fashioned, but I kinda like the idea that shroom growing isn't idiot proof, that way not too many idiots will be growing mushrooms. I think it is important for it to stay that way for shrooms to keep the low key position that they have where the LEO is concerned.
I just think it's real important that not any old fool out there that can buy a kit can grow mushrooms, Enter, It sounds like you're asking for is you want the vendors to make kits that illiterate people that can't drive to the store need to grow shrooms.
Man, I remember when people actually came to this site to learn/teach cultivation, now all I hear is kit, kit, kit, kit, kit. 
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Una
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Registered: 03/01/01
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 Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: Lizard King]
#450448 - 11/07/01 03:36 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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For your information. We, at MushMush, grow all of the mushrooms that are used for printing ourselves. We don't buy prints from others.
Running a mailorder company takes more time and costs more money than most people think. I think that the prices that (us) vendors ask quite fair.
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: MicronMagick]
#450587 - 11/07/01 05:39 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd like to know who some of these growers are that supply the vendors with $3 prints. I have to rely on Jose, Manuel and some of the other elves to keep me in spores and they can be awfully slow sometimes!
I do plan on adding the alder chips to my line of products. I'll have to rent a chipper for the day and chip up a years supply. Like oyster shells and vermiculite that I have offered in the past, alder chips won't make any profit but I really want to see people succeed with their Ps. cyanescen spores.
I looked into supplying the pre-sterilized jars long ago but the postage costs made it unfeasable. But if they radiate the mail, at least you can guarantee steriliity!
Edited by CaptainMaxMushroom (11/07/01 05:45 PM)
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oscill8
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Registered: 02/26/01
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: World Spirit]
#450690 - 11/07/01 06:42 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think anyone can pretty much get what they want from either the vendors here (spores) or other products on the internet or locally. i wouldnt recommend for anyone to buy any sort of kit, or even for vendors to offer them. thats just my personal paranoia, but think it is valid.
oh wait!
if someone can buy bulk parafilm id be down to buy a roll... cant use enough of it to make a bulk order from the lab supply places, and i love it much more than saran wrap. :) and make it cheaper than fp... well, you wont make a profit on it. so, nevermind...
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Lana
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: Crobih]
#450818 - 11/07/01 08:06 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting thread, lots of topics in one place:)
I have to agree with Crobih. Basically, it takes alot of effort, time and money to be any kind of vendor. And if the market of the industry isn't met, EVERYONE will loose.
If people constantly lowball prices, the vendors who have nice things will quit selling. Its simple economics, its the old "why should we sell it when we can't get rid of it" attitiude.
Supplies or spores, the principle holds to both. You have some spore vendors who can do some really great strain isolations and cloning. While others may not be as advanced. If spore vendor ABC is growing rare cyan strains on agar and domesticating them so that the home grower can easily grow them.... well there's going to be alot more time and MONEY put forth than the spore vendor selling syringes made from PF style cakes:)
And we all know that once you get growing, you'll find it to be well worth it:) It may cost you around $50-100 to start off but....BOY is it worth it:)
Enter: We (Myco Supply) gets emails for product requests. And we're designing a little something something that might replace perlite:) Small enough to fit into a terrainum, and hopefully as cheap as perlite:) (The price that manufactuers want for this "item" is what we're working on)
My suggestion for a new product.....
Someone should update the PF Tek.
I know that it would be one heck of a task but newbies are ALWAYS asking tons of questions regarding it. I don't mind questions one bit but all and all...the tek could be touched up a bit:)
Lana
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JackMehoff
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Registered: 10/31/01
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: World Spirit]
#450993 - 11/07/01 09:57 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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You just don't seem to want to see the light. I would cut thru the bullshit here for you point by point but my eloquence and the straignt forwardness of what I'm saying would be missed so it seems.
Yes, we need good vendors who supply quality products, bring us new strains and do quality strain developement. There are very damn few who do the latter. If you believe otherwise you are mistaken.
Of course all the vendors will tell us the current fixed prices are "fair". And what's really sad is that so many folks are aparently buying this line. I believe there is room for improvement. And, buying bulk prints for a few dollars and marking them up 600%-800% is nothing short of bullshit.
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Anonymous
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 Re: Products vendors can provide to improve community [Re: oscill8]
#451018 - 11/07/01 10:18 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is not directed at any single person!!!!!!
Without a vendor agreement between eachother price cutting will occur. There are no legal means to patent spores of naturally occuring mushrooms. If it were legal to sell cultures, hence sell individual strains, a sales agreement could be used to prevent resale. No compete clauses!!! But vendors in the USA sell spores, because they can't legally sell strains of Psilocybin containing mushrooms. I believe at some level there is a QUIET AGREEMENT between vendors about this very thing. When a vendor oversteps the line, the others are quick to bring it to his/her attention!!!!
And as far as the wholesale price structuring goes, YOU as a supplier ( Grower) can have a quiet agreement with other wholesale suppliers, to set a price!!!! If a vendor needs a certain spore race, you have, you are in control!!!! You set the price!!!! Unless the vendor wants to lose customers, he/she has to pay your price. Unless of course the vendor can get them elsewhere for less.
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MicronMagick
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Registered: 10/16/01
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#451175 - 11/07/01 11:48 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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World Spirit
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: MicronMagick]
#451297 - 11/08/01 01:52 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: World Spirit]
#451302 - 11/08/01 02:00 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, this was a nice thread until you just brought it down to the level of the flamers. You just lost my respect. Nice to finally meet you.
Edited by boxtop703 (11/08/01 02:03 AM)
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World Spirit
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: ]
#451304 - 11/08/01 02:03 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: World Spirit]
#451310 - 11/08/01 02:19 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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O.K., I take it back. I still respect you. But I got my eye on you enter! Hehe
Edited by boxtop703 (11/08/01 02:24 AM)
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isis
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: ]
#451455 - 11/08/01 07:45 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally I think everything we need,aside from spores, is already quite easy to obtain at the local walmart. Local stores, feedstores and nurseries are full of inexpensive goodies, and you do not have to pay for shipping.
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Lizard King
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Registered: 10/03/99
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: isis]
#451575 - 11/08/01 10:26 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Micron Magick, in reply to your response about my post, no I don't think offering spores is a bad idea at all, I say go for it and more power to ya! :) Thats not at all what I was implying. I was just saying that $3 a print is plently for the home cultivator. Of course like the person at the top of this page, some will be jealous at how much vendors are flipping their prints for, well thats the way it works, if you don't like it you you be the spore vendor and see what you can do. Most people are happy with the fruits they grow, I can't imagine bitching about $900 coming your way for taking the time to lay a few caps on paper.
This is a classic case of what you don't know can't hurt ya. People don't bitch until they see how much profit a vendor makes, which really ain't much. I don't think any vendors have quite their day job, maybe PF.
Anyways, I just wanted to say that I was not slamming anyone, just saying that I feel $3 a print for cubies is nothing to bitch about.
LK,
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Anonymous
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Re: Products vendors can provide to improve communit [Re: Lizard King]
#451722 - 11/08/01 01:27 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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LK
you are absolutely right!!
And Mr. Fryd, if you want 4-5 dollars a print, they will pay it if they really need the prints!!! You are in control!
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