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Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ?
    #4450919 - 07/25/05 02:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hi there!

I'm new to mushrooms and started up by trying to identify these to strains that I found from my lawn. It's been raining for few days and they are numerous.. exept the conocybe (?) only about a dozen.

Am I correct that these are Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana?

Location: northern europe, on grass, lawn

panaeolus foenisecii?
sporeprint color: black


conocybe kuehneriana?
sporeprint color: brown


Amanita? Still growing in the shady woods.
unidentified

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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: astraalialma]
    #4455769 - 07/26/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If the first ones are P. foenisecii then the spore print should be a dark purplish brown. Try making the spore print on white paper and leaving a long time to get a good, heavy deposit of spores.

I'm not familiar with Conocybe kuehneriana (it's not listed in Moser's book). If I had to guess a species I'd probably go with Conocybe tenera. You need a microscope to be sure of the ID of any Conocybe.

The last one is an Amanita, but the species is much more difficult.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #4456052 - 07/26/05 02:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah...those look a lot like P. foenisecii. Take a look at that sporeprint again. When it is said that a sporeprint is black, it means jet black.

This is a great picture I kinda concoted in a way, taken from someones ID help prints, and one of Gumby's subb page prints. At first they all look black, until you see what the jet black looks like (kinda obvious which one I edited in there). The best way I know of to see if a print is really black or not (before you can tell pretty well) is to take it in some bright light, and perhaps smear some of the spores around to thin it out some.

Oh, here is that pic I was talking about:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/Corrack/216769012-ep2.jpg


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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: Ramuh]
    #4456071 - 07/26/05 03:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

those look a good bit like subbs , if the prints come out JET BLACK then they are subbs , which id say they most likely are active subbs


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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: PSiFr33k]
    #4460343 - 07/27/05 02:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the tips!

here is the new spore print and they do look like dark purplish brown to me.. for compare there is this really black print..


so this means that it could be panaeolus ?

The "conocybe" spore print looks bright brown / yellowish.

What kind of zoom x multiplier would you need to chekc out spores?

heres more of that possible amanita ... regalis maybe? I read that its quite a familiar sight in forests at this time of year..in here.



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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: astraalialma]
    #4460982 - 07/27/05 05:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If they're not clearly black then they're not black. So that suggests they are P. foenisecii.

Your description of the Conocybe spore print color is reasonable for that genus.

To examine spores under a microscope I usually use about 400x. Magnifications of 1000x and up I use when I need to look for ornamentation on the spore surface.

For the Amanita, the next thing we need for identification is to know if the spores are amyloid. You need to make a *very* heavy spore print and treat some spores with iodine. If you have a microscope it will help. If they are amyloid the spores will turn a dark blue-black color. If inamyloid they will be dark reddish brown.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #4463400 - 07/28/05 04:21 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well I got an specimen here that looks like others but was much darker in color and had that coal-black spore print (the print.jpg where there are 2xfoenisecii and the this unknown):



sorry my bad eng .. and thanks for all help

and for that possible_amanita, .. I left it in the woods. It was full  of small maggots and ants.  :razz:

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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: astraalialma]
    #4463711 - 07/28/05 08:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

the amanita was a orange-yellow fly agaric


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Re: Possibly Panaeolus foenisecii and Conocybe kuehneriana ? [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
    #4463731 - 07/28/05 08:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

the amanita is definitely fly agaric, as for the pan. looks like foe to me  :mushroomgrow:

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