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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460322 - 07/27/05 02:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It's a lot easier for those socialist assholes to make those comments when a good portion of US citizens are disenchanted with their government and making the same comments, true or otherwise. It's self-propegating.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4460461 - 07/27/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I don't share oversized nationalism.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460540 - 07/27/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Free speech? charity? unemployment rates?

You don't need charity if your system works with you.
We overproduce man! People can relax and split the workload! Today people work too much.
I don't think there is any less free speech in Scandinavia than in the US.

Dude please. *edit (read properly :smile:)* hell can be big. Doesnt necessarly have to only include the US :wink:

Edited by Arp (07/27/05 03:29 PM)

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460638 - 07/27/05 03:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Arp said:
You don't need charity if your system works with you.



And you don't need socialism if people will give voluntarily instead of being forced to do so.

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We overproduce man!



How so?

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People can relax and split the workload!



If they choose to, then fine. But many people would rather work more so they can enjoy a higher standard of living.

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Today people work too much.



Says you. I think people can be the judge of that themselves, instead of letting some arrogant socialist decide that for them.

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I don't think there is any less free speech in Scandinavia than in the US.



Then you're wrong. Try using a racial slur in a public speech in Sweden. In America, it doesn't matter how controversial your speech is, as long as it's not intended to start a riot, and doesn't reveal classified information.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4460712 - 07/27/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

So if your rich, you don't have to work to enjoy a higher living standard. If your poor you can not.
By being poor you are forced to submission

Wealth doesnt necessarly have to mean that you have worked hard to get it. It can be random. Or kiss the right ass and you might get a piece of the pie.

By higher living standards you mean exploitation of available resources.

So basicly what you are saying "free speech", enforced submission & excess is MORE important than elimination of poverty, available education & a healthy life for the general population?

Sounds like the reasoning of a very spoiled person.

People here arent suffering from not being able to threaten groups of people I can tell you that! And realy, we don't need to.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460729 - 07/27/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

your = of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors
you're = you are

That is all, you silly socialist.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: spud]
    #4460750 - 07/27/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You know what I mean damn bully!

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460757 - 07/27/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Arp said:
So if your rich, you don't have to work to enjoy a higher living standard. If your poor you can not.
By being poor you are forced to submission



Bullshit. You become rich by working harder. That has been the story of countless millionaires.

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Wealth doesnt necessarly have to mean that you have worked hard to get it. It can be random. Or kiss the right ass and you might get a piece of the pie.



I won't deny that there are people whose wealth is not due to working harder. But if you think that working harder can't help you succeed, then you've got some major misconceptions.

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By higher living standards you mean exploitation of available resources.



No, I mean higher standards of living: more expendable income, more financial security, etc.

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So basicly what you are saying "free speech", enforced submission & excess is MORE important than elimination of poverty, available education & a healthy life for the general population?



Socialism does not eliminate poverty. It spreads out the poverty to the whole population. Socialism has created massive poverty in Africa. Furthermore, socialism is enforced submission, not capitalism. Socialism forces you to submit the fruits of your labor to the state. Capitalism gives people the freedom to use the wealth they create as they see fit. As for this "excess" you speak of, who's defining what is excessive? I believe that would you. Quit being arrogant and let people decide for themselves what is excessive and what isn't. As for education, in case you weren't aware, we have public schools in America too. There are superior aspects to the European school system, but they have nothing to do with socialism vs. capitalism. As for the health of the population, it's up to the individual to maintain their health. If Americans choose to pig out on fast food, that's their decision.

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Sounds like the reasoning of a very spoiled person.



Only because you twist my words to the point where they have no relation to what I have actually said.

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People here arent suffering from not being able to threaten groups of people I can tell you that! And realy, we don't need to.



WTF is that supposed to mean?


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460783 - 07/27/05 04:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

mean higher standards of living: more expendable income, more financial security, etc.

You don't need that shit if you're in a caring system that helps out when things get rough. See it as a social security.

You can live a rich life without working your balls off.
Don't let your masters decieve you.

Socialism spreads out poverty? Check the statistics man. It speaks for itself.

Note: Sweden is NOT a socialistic country. Its a cross-breed.
You can aquire higher standards by working hard but not with fluxuations as in the US.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460798 - 07/27/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

WTF is that supposed to mean?

It seems like you preach free speech just for the sake of it.
What about living a peacefull life WITHOUT being threatend by
prejudiced groups? Take the Nazis for instance. Or the KKK.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460838 - 07/27/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Arp said:
mean higher standards of living: more expendable income, more financial security, etc.

You don't need that shit if you're in a caring system that helps out when things get rough. See it as a social security.



That "caring system" is based on robbing others of the products of their labor.

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You can live a rich life without working your balls off.



Only if you mooch off of the hard work of others. You can't create wealth without working for it.

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Don't let your masters decieve you.



I'm not the one being decieved.

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Socialism spreads out poverty? Check the statistics man. It speaks for itself.



Scandinavia is not socialism. It is welfare capitalism. And those countries can only afford to have such massive entitlement programs because they have allowed private enterprise. If you look at real socialism, such as North Korea, the Soviet Union, and various African or Latin American countries, you can see the real bankruptcy of the system.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460842 - 07/27/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Arp said:
WTF is that supposed to mean?

It seems like you preach free speech just for the sake of it.
What about living a peacefull life WITHOUT being threatend by
prejudiced groups? Take the Nazis for instance. Or the KKK.



Their ability to speak freely is not a threat to a peaceful life. If free speech does not apply to those whose opinions we disagree with most, then it means nothing.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460859 - 07/27/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Zzzzzzzz

Do you ACTUALLY belive that some Swedes are working their asses of for the many??? C'mon man

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460875 - 07/27/05 04:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Their ability to speak freely is not a threat to a peaceful life. If free speech does not apply to those whose opinions we disagree with most, then it means nothing.




Some lunatics are always convinced and take actions.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460884 - 07/27/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

More so than in America, where more people work to support themselves, rather than working extra hard to support others. Of course, Sweden has a much lower GDP, so obviously people aren't willing to work that hard for others to mooch off them.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460911 - 07/27/05 05:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If you are #1 one why try harder?

We have come a long way baby! :laugh:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460921 - 07/27/05 05:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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If you are #1 one why try harder?

We have come a long way baby! :laugh:



huh?  :what:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460935 - 07/27/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to point out that the growing consesus among Americans doesn't even appear to be patriotism at all. It is simply a romanticized jingoism, and we know this methodology worked very well for Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party in Germany during their campaigns that were supported by many "patriotic" Americans. The propaganda system that was developed during that time is used even more efficiently in the current states of the world. With the development of the internet and worldwide media, further globalization, the spread of democracy and communism (yea it's still around in that modicum of archipelago beneath the United States), and their collective discontents there grows an even more horrendous image. This entire mass of common subjects, even the one we are discussing now, is apart of the 21st century "manifest destiny" that is meant to steer the population away from the real picture.

My 2 cents.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4461005 - 07/27/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Are you saying that being able to accommodate great wealth is the road to happiness?

If you are happy with your life the way it is, then why would you want to change it?

People in poverty arent generally very happy about it.

I'd say there is enough resources for everybody to be able to live decent happy lives!
We don't need them Scrooge McDucks pilling them up in their banks,
giving small hand-outs when they feel a rising guilt-trip.

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4461153 - 07/27/05 06:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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Arp said:
http://www.cardinalcollective.com/blog/archives/2004/02/000757.html

:toast:




Ouch! No bragging rights for "God's country" :mushroom2:



Actually, America has plenty to brag about.  No other country has as high a degree of free speech as America does.  Americans also give the most private charity donations of any nationality.  Also, our unemployment rate is much lower than most European social democracies.  America certainly isn't perfect, but the socialist assholes who try to say it's a decrepit wasteland have their heads up their collectivist asses.




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