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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4459710 - 07/27/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have heard of it...don't know much about it. The shell I refered to was my ego and my self image relating to it.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4459741 - 07/27/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes! there is a relationship to your post. The Crack in the Cosmic Egg, and Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg, were the first books I read which looked into the same ideas as Castanada did but from a more scientific point of view. Very good reads. I recommend them to you. The concepts are not easy to get your head around. You may have more luck then I did. :thumbup:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4459794 - 07/27/05 11:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'll check it out.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4459812 - 07/27/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

stick the cracked cosmic Ego on a bumper and call it american


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4459833 - 07/27/05 11:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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So why are there so many patriotic Americans? Cause its a pretty "new" country, or that it being fueld by self-intrest?




Gomp can surely correct me if my opinion on this is baseless and does not represent that actual truth of the matter, and the possibillity that I am wrong on this is definitely possible due to many factors; however, in my experience of being in Norway for a year, I observed quite a potent strain of patriotism there, and Norway is a country that doesn't fit your two possible conclusions (however, it is to be noted that Norway has struggled for a great amount of the time in the past to be its own, independant nation, as it was often occupied by either Sweden or Denmark).

But, of course, I didn't see people gladly giving away their rights as citizens of that country simply because they are proud to be from that country. I didn't observe the government staging massive terrorist attacks as a ploy to subtly herd sheep into the pen... I saw a government that, while the flag is mostly red, actually worked to set their people up for success (I'm obviously not claiming that it was perfect, different methods of governing, and the gas and car thing is just insane :nut:)...

Blah blah blah! :grin: It's sort of disappointing to see a thread get so many responses, but so few of them anywhere near the true discussion of the ideas presented. :confused:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4459839 - 07/27/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup: It's been easy for me to go off topic here. Patriotism in this country is such a knee jerk thing. I used to consider myself a patriot. And I thought about it much like you do. I dropped the term in disgust because of the way Americans were abusing it.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4459840 - 07/27/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What is your point on that statement. You too live in "North America" are you refering to Ameica the continent or the USA?


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Re: God Bless America [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4459854 - 07/27/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with being concerned for the place you live...that is patriotism. The USA has one of the highest standards of living on the planet...that goes a long way towards gaining the good will of the citizens. It ain't perfect...and there is a lot of fucked up shit going on...but it ain't that bad either. If we all would focus on leaving the world a better place than we found it instead of bitching and crying, like many do, without acting, the problems would abate.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4459867 - 07/27/05 11:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I consider myself to be merely a tourist in this world. Doing the best i can for others in the time and circumstances that remains in my short life on this planet.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4459871 - 07/27/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I love this country. The rivers the lakes, the trees, forests, plains, medows, mountains and wildlife, This is were my loyalties are.  :mushroom2:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4459895 - 07/27/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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There is nothing wrong with being concerned for the place you live...that is patriotism. The USA has one of the highest standards of living on the planet...




What I find remarkable is how various European countries, especially noted Scandanavian countries, maintain nearly the same standards of living as the United States while having an intensely lower population and amount of resources. :grin:

Well, specifically, in Norway's case, they are the second largest producer of oil in the world, so I guess it isn't as if there is an insane lack of resources there, if you know what I mean. :lol:

And your point is well-taken (if that indeed needs to be hyphenated, I'm not adept at the rules of hyphenation :lol:). Our environment defines us, and we are in constant interaction with it. Positive patrioism is probably a great thing. :wink:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4459944 - 07/27/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4459955 - 07/27/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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What is your point on that statement. You too live in "North America" are you refering to Ameica the continent or the USA?




right
no distinctions
why not a ha ha?


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4459997 - 07/27/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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http://www.cardinalcollective.com/blog/archives/2004/02/000757.html

:toast:




Ouch! No bragging rights for "God's country" :mushroom2:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4460033 - 07/27/05 12:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You mean Satans country! That much polution can only come from hell :wink:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4460131 - 07/27/05 01:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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You mean Satans country! That much polution can only come from hell :wink:



That must explain why the Soviet Union had far worse pollution problems.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460174 - 07/27/05 01:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

is this more thick patriotic traffic imagining bumperstickers
or have we landed in a mall parking lot,
looking at the fenders of random station wagons


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4460209 - 07/27/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Arp said:
http://www.cardinalcollective.com/blog/archives/2004/02/000757.html

:toast:




Ouch! No bragging rights for "God's country" :mushroom2:



Actually, America has plenty to brag about.  No other country has as high a degree of free speech as America does.  Americans also give the most private charity donations of any nationality.  Also, our unemployment rate is much lower than most European social democracies.  America certainly isn't perfect, but the socialist assholes who try to say it's a decrepit wasteland have their heads up their collectivist asses.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460232 - 07/27/05 01:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you might be right but
shorter sentences (bumper) stick it better


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4460299 - 07/27/05 01:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Good post.


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