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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4468329 - 07/29/05 09:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I see benefit to both systems. All problems that I see come from a state of fear/greed.  One should be compensated for their work. I think often there is way to much difference in wage scale between work. Scientist will not be happy at work with out a plumber, and no one will be happy if no one ever cleans the toilet.  The difference in wage scale between the manager and the maintenance man is sometimes criminal. 

It's really about motive. If you are rich and give freely to others and are a loving and caring person, No one complains. If you covet money above all else and use it to control people and don't care what harm you getting more does to the world; then people complain.

It's not one or the other system really it's what kind of a person you are. A healthy well balanced people would do well in either system, or better yet, combining the best of both.

How about that guys? Could you combine aspects of both and have it work better than one or the other? Until we learn how to work together and see each others point of view as worthwhile, we have stalemate. :heart: :thumbup: :smile:



I have already stated that I do not advocate pure capitalism, but rather Georgism, since it solves the main equity issues which are prevalent in capitalism.  Socialism has a nice idea behind it, but it does not pan out so well in the real world precisely because it ignores or denies the fact that people do what's in their best interest.  Capitalism is more effective because it takes this into account, and uses it for the benefit of society.  Unfortunately, some people get left behind.  This is why the welfare state has come into existence, but it is a poor substitute for the optimum prosperity inherent in Georgism.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4468344 - 07/29/05 09:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I checked out that site. It looked good. when will we see it implemented? :grin:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4468354 - 07/29/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I checked out that site. It looked good. when will we see it implemented? :grin:



Hopefully in our lifetime.  I'm hoping that the oil crisis will create the conditions under which such a system will become a necessity..


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4468370 - 07/29/05 09:41 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Any system without poverty, unnecessary pollution & having to work yourself half to death to be able to live a decent life is fine with me!

That is pretty much the case in Sweden now, but we still work around 40h/week (they are trying 30h in some places thou! wippi!)
And you can get a free year too! That rules! :smile:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4468579 - 07/29/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Where I work 25 hrs is considered full time with full benefits. And our benefits are awsome.  :thumbup: :cool:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4468592 - 07/29/05 10:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Where I work 25 hrs is considered full time with full benefits. And our benefits are awsome.  :thumbup: :cool:




:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Is that hard work or what? :cool:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Arp]
    #4470263 - 07/29/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Here, officially 35 hours, but the pressure is to work more for lower salary. Many psychological tricks are used. Our politicians stand befor a collapse.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: chinadoll]
    #4470297 - 07/29/05 04:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't the g*d of the Jews Yahweh?



They just weren't so sure about the vocals :smile:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Silversoul]
    #4470379 - 07/29/05 05:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I just have to comment on paradigms idea of surviving versus helping
others. Isn't it a strange paradox that you claim you want to put
yourself in first room, to help yourself first, instead of others,
because you need to survive, when the fact is that this is a basic
condition manufactured by the very system you are trying to defend?

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I'm sure. It happens all the time under socialism. The government
demands more production, and the workers keep getting the same,
because in socialism, everyone makes the same wages.




This is interesting. How much DO you know about socialism, I mean
really? Sounds like you have created yourself quite a boogieman.
Who told you socialism advocates same wages?

Then I think it's strange you put such effort in bombarding
socialism, when discussing to Arp, when he has never claimed
he defends socialism or less claims being a socialist? Not
everybody who criticizes capitalism is socialist.

Also, would be interesting to hear how you mean
socialism CREATES poverty.

...and watch me dance... tralalala


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Ninjamutantballe]
    #4470628 - 07/29/05 05:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"God Bless America" is a good thing. In general people value and hold God in the highest esteem and therefore associating it with their nation only tightens their bond to their country. America needs more patriots and less-intellectuals. Thats the reality of this world.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: looner2]
    #4470767 - 07/29/05 06:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your wish is quickly becomming a reality. :lol:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4470980 - 07/29/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Tricks :thumbup:

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Re: God Bless America [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4471111 - 07/29/05 07:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Once again I was defining patriotism. Do not make the generalization of thinking that I support the wrongdoings of my country. I do not support the war in Iraq because it is a huge mistake and an abuse of power. I have advised one of my children (who is 17) against serving in the armed forces and supporting such a war. I myself served proudly as a warrior in my country's service for 4 years. I attended Infantry training at Ft. Benning Ga. and I attended Airborne School at the same. If I were younger I would not now serve because I think that more harm than good is beeing done to everyone involved. That does not mean I do not support my country. It also does not mean that I do not have compassion for my fellow humans no matter what their nationality. I must tell you however that I was raised in a very fundamentalist part of the US and I learned about compassion for others and racial equality as a truth while in the Army. I was required by my unit to donate a percentage of my wages to global charities fighting hunger. Once again patriotism means that you love your country...warts and all, and that you try to make a difference.




I respect this quite a bit Hue. This is the man I know you to be.  :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4471244 - 07/29/05 08:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Your wish is quickly becomming a reality. :lol:




Not quite, in fact, its the opposite. The new philosophy of the world that is infecting us is the loathing of power. It demonizes those who seek it and hates those who have it. This extends into the national sphere as well. The only thing it is doing is denying human nature, and in turn opening up an opportunity for someone who is bold enough to break the facade and cause another world catastrophe. In the U.S there is more opposition to this then in other parts of the world, but that is largely due to the fact that we possess the power.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: looner2]
    #4471256 - 07/29/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry I don't see it. Business as usual. :mushroom2:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4471297 - 07/29/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Sorry I don't see it. Business as usual. :mushroom2:




I don't expect many here to see it. It is mostly those "ignorant patriots" that get the big picture and have the heart to follow those with knowledge and power.

Whether it is a rational position from a reductionist philosophy is irrelevant. Patriotism is needed to survive.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: looner2]
    #4471329 - 07/29/05 08:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Not all patriots are ignorant. It's what they are patriotic about that counts. I've seen a few to many my country right or wrong bumper stickers to believe some of these people know what patriotism is good for.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4471383 - 07/29/05 08:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Not all patriots are ignorant. It's what they are patriotic about that counts. I've seen a few to many my country right or wrong bumper stickers to believe some of these people know what patriotism is good for.





Patriotism shouldn't have to deal with "right or wrong". It is the leaders who make the decisions and the people that follow.


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Re: God Bless America [Re: looner2]
    #4471417 - 07/29/05 08:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbdown: Now I think you are crazy! :rolleyes:


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Re: God Bless America [Re: Icelander]
    #4471432 - 07/29/05 08:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
:thumbdown: Now I think you are crazy! :rolleyes:




No argument?


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