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Is suffering due to past deeds?
    #4450180 - 07/25/05 01:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

People are posing as if they are pure in this birth by saying like this. In fact, for all the previous deeds, the soul was treated completely in the upper world. When the soul takes birth in this world it is born with ?Karmasesha?, which means not the remains of the action. It means the remains of that quality (Samskara or Vasana) in the soul. When a thief was strongly beaten in the police station for his action of theft, he comes out with a subtle seed of that quality. Due to the beating, that quality was very much reduced but did not vanish.

This seed is in the form of quality, which is a wrong modification of knowledge and it will never be vanished by the fruit because the fruit is also a form of action. This means action cannot destroy the quality. Only the right knowledge, which is the correct modification of the knowledge can remove that quality. The punishment, which is also a form of action cannot destroy the quality. The agony, which is also another wrong modification of knowledge, produced during the punishment, cannot destroy this quality. This seed is called ?Karmasesha? or ?Sanchita?. Therefore ?Karmasesha? or ?Sanchita? does not mean the balance of the results. It only means the balance of the quality, which is responsible for the action. When the soul is reborn, it gets a congenial atmosphere according to its seed. The seed starts germinating and this stage of the quality is called ?Prarabdha?.

The seed slowly grows into a tree. The soul becomes very active and does a series of deeds. The fruits of these deeds will be received by the soul in the upper world. Such future fruits are called ?Aagaami?. But some vigourous deeds give fruits in this world itself. The series of thefts of a theif are recorded in the police station (Aagaami), but sometimes the householder even before going to the police station punishes the theif. Thus the effects in this world are only the fruits of some serious actions of the soul done in this world itself.

The most serious sin done in this world is forgetting the Lord who gave so many facilities in this world without any selfishness. Even though people are praying the Lord, their love is with selfishness only. The love is not true if selfishness exists. There is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the human being is committing this greatest sin and is receiving the result of this sin in this life itself because the sin is so serious! However, the atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not be misled by seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: dattaswami]
    #4450240 - 07/25/05 01:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

oh shut the fuck up.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Doom]
    #4450505 - 07/25/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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oh shut the fuck up.




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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: dattaswami]
    #4450684 - 07/25/05 03:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"The series of thefts of a theif are recorded in the police station (Aagaami), but sometimes the householder even before going to the police station punishes the theif."


Believe it or not folks, this, I have recently discovered from a Pakistani gentleman, is actually true, in some places!!!  When I found out, I was like: :eek: !



"...When a thief was strongly beaten in the police station for his action of theft, he comes out with a subtle seed of that quality. Due to the beating, that quality was very much reduced but did not vanish."


The bitter irony here, concerning Karma, is that through the beatings, those who are doing the administering, are developping a debt with every strike.

Consider the following example:

We get into a verbal fight; you and I.  You end up getting so angry by our confrontation that you strike me full force in the mouth. This escallation, then prompted me to lunge myself at you strike you back in the mouth and then, I broke your arm. You get angry further, and take a bat and hit me in the back with it.  Somehow, I manage to get up, and hit you in the head with a rock, and then took out the windows of your new car.  A bystander got pissed, and doused me with gasoline, and burned me.  I died.

If things are to balance out, I would be inclined to think that I'd be owing you AND the third party some serious payback for the administration of 'overkill'.

At this stage of reality, it is difficult, especially when one's emotions begin to cloud judgement, to know how much is to be administered...

To the extreme, a perfect balance would be the eye for an eye analogy... 

Human emotion, however, often clouds this and you one takes a leg for an eye.






"...However, the atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not be misled by seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world."


That is the biggest load of    :poop:  :shitstorm::poop:...  EVER!!!!




No one is going to be left behind...  It dosen't matter if you pray to rocks...  Every last stragler shall be gathered.



Methinks it is safest to treat anyone as you wouldn't mind being treated yourself... 

I believe, if you follow that basic principle, then you can eat your  bacon, have imaginary friends, pray to the trees, allow alien visitations, drink your alcohol, smoke your stuff,....  blah, blah, blah (the list goes on),... absolutely guilt free.


This Karmic thing, or simply put, the balancing principle, is, I would imagine, only relative to one another...  and not what you do with yourself...  You are free to do whatever you wish to yourself... You give the "OK" to do so...  It does no harm.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: ELECTRIC]
    #4450711 - 07/25/05 03:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i wish the day would come when God takes all the christians to heaven...life would be better.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4450777 - 07/25/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I believe that we are all in this together... We shall all leave together when the opportunity comes.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: dattaswami]
    #4451153 - 07/25/05 05:21 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, I see you saying the same things on other forums. You never make personal replies or engage in active debate. You preach from the pulpit and expect us to care.  What are you afraid of? How about a dialog instead of a sermon. Are you collecting brownie points from your Deity?  :rolleyes: :mushroom2:


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Icelander]
    #4451437 - 07/25/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Dude, I see you saying the same things on other forums. You never make personal replies or engage in active debate. You preach from the pulpit and expect us to care.  What are you afraid of? How about a dialog instead of a sermon. Are you collecting brownie points from your Deity?  :rolleyes: :mushroom2:





and when sinbad does it nobody complains, after all he has a "master"


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4452069 - 07/25/05 08:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think sinbad and I have gotten into it from time to time. :heart: :grin:

And sinbad may start off with a sermon but then he engages. I haven't seen this dude do it yet.


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Edited by Icelander (07/25/05 08:38 PM)


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Icelander]
    #4452110 - 07/25/05 08:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't seen this dude do it yet.

We beeza wondrin who be dattaswami... :confused:


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4452116 - 07/25/05 08:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Another face of Tao. :mushroom2:


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Icelander]
    #4452151 - 07/25/05 09:08 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Another face of Tao.

And Tao is that?  :grin:


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Icelander]
    #4452156 - 07/25/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I think sinbad and I have gotten into it from time to time. :heart: :grin:

And sinbad may start off with a sermon but then he engages. I haven't seen this dude do it yet. 




and even our moderator (shroomism) did it in the past, "preaching" is a part of shroomery.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4452232 - 07/25/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

How you doin Lunar? It's always nice to hear from you. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: Icelander]
    #4455413 - 07/26/05 02:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

>> I see you saying the same things on other forums. You never make personal replies or engage in active debate. You preach from the pulpit and expect us to care.

Preaching is, as Alan Watts put it, a kind of moral violence. Posts of this nature, I think, should simply be deleted as they are not intended for discussion; and nor does any productive conversation follow when people feel violated.


>> and when sinbad does it nobody complains

It's easy to confuse succinctness with preaching sometimes. What I gather from Sinbad's posts is that he's confident in what he's saying and interested in conveying those points clearly and to the widest audience. It is not preaching in that he does not seem to expect others to accept eagerly and fully digest his ideas immediately.


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Re: Is suffering due to past deeds? [Re: dattaswami]
    #4455424 - 07/26/05 02:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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For spreading dogma and not returning to the thread by request of several posters.


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