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OfflineAdamist
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House votes to extend Patriot Act
    #4446784 - 07/24/05 02:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

House votes to extend Patriot Act

Associated Press | July 22, 2005
BY GLEN JOHNSON

WASHINGTON -- The House voted Thursday to extend the USA Patriot Act, the nation's main anti-terrorism tool, just hours after televisions in the Capitol beamed images of a new attack in London.

As similar legislation worked its way through the Senate, House Republicans generally cast the law as a valuable asset in the war on terror. Most Democrats echoed that support but said they were concerned the law could allow citizens' civil liberties to be infringed.

After more than nine hours of debate, the House approved the measure 257-171. Forty-three Democrats joined 214 Republicans in voting to renew key provisions of the Patriot Act that were set to expire at the end of the year.

'The threat has not receded'

The bulk of the back-and-forth centered on language making permanent 14 of 16 provisions that had four-year sunset provisions under the original law, which Congress passed overwhelmingly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bill has 10-year extensions to the two other provisions set to expire on Dec. 31, one allowing roving wiretaps and another allowing searches of library and medical records.

''While the Patriot Act and other anti-terrorism initiatives have helped avert additional attacks on our soil, the threat has not receded,'' said Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the top Democrat on the panel, said he backed the majority of Patriot Act provisions but feared the extensions could lessen accountability. ''Ten years is not a sunset; 10 years is semi-permanent,'' he said.

President Bush hailed the vote.

''The Patriot Act is a key part of our efforts to combat terrorism and protect the American people, and the Congress needs to send me a bill soon that renews the act without weakening our ability to fight terror,'' Bush said in a statement released by the White House.

As the House debated the bill, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved its own extension of the act, though it included only four-year extensions for the roving wiretap and records search provisions.

A competing bill also has been approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which would give the FBI expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury. That ensured further Senate talks on the terrorism-fighting measure. The House legislation will also have to be reconciled with whatever emerges from the Senate. AP

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-patriot22.html


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: Adamist]
    #4446863 - 07/24/05 03:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly as I predicted.

The government NEVER relinquishes control (nor a tax) once in place unless it is forced to do so. It really has nothing to do with terror, but is an excuse to give those in power more power.

This frightens me way more than any bombing ever could.


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
    #4446867 - 07/24/05 03:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A military based government which has their power based in foreign policy and war would be less likely to impose their will unto the populous out of disinterest and hence freedom can be assured to a greater degree. We need to reforge our political system to accomodate aggressive military excursions and leave power out of domestic soil.


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: Adamist]
    #4446889 - 07/24/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The war on drugs and the war on terror are vital to the growth of fascism in the US. They need to impose fear and terror into the citizens, while beefing up their own power. You all know who the real terrorists are.  :sad:


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: klonokingpin]
    #4446904 - 07/24/05 03:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

klonokingpin said:
The war on drugs and the war on terror are vital to the growth of fascism in the US. They need to impose fear and terror into the citizens, while beefing up their own power. You all know who the real terrorists are.  :sad:




Muslims?


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: looner2]
    #4446952 - 07/24/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

By god your right, it is Muslims!  :shocked:


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: DieCommie]
    #4447113 - 07/24/05 04:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Cive that man a cigar.


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4449036 - 07/25/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone else see a bad deal in not being able to learn about who you're fighting, without being labelled a terrorist yourself?


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: klonokingpin]
    #4449968 - 07/25/05 12:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

klonokingpin said:
The war on drugs and the war on terror are vital to the growth of fascism in the US. They need to impose fear and terror into the citizens, while beefing up their own power. You all know who the real terrorists are.  :sad:




They're all terrorists. Some of them bomb buildings, and some of them install governments in foreign lands and wiretap citizens, it just depends on how much money in their coffers.


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
    #4450351 - 07/25/05 01:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

This frightens me way more than any bombing ever could.





Seriously though, doesnt this kind of give the "terrorists" a victory? Wanting to make this country "lose" its freedoms?

"talk to the invisible hand, cause big brother aint responding"


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Re: House votes to extend Patriot Act [Re: Zero7a1]
    #4451128 - 07/25/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I was saying this a few weeks ago. Maybe that's their whole plan.

Even George W. Cuntlips says "They hate our freedom", and then he takes it away with congress' help...a bit odd.


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